Posted by Lew on March 4, 2004, 5:22 pm
I am remodeling my kitchen, and am acting as my own main contractor.
This is a pretty large project with new appliances, some changes in
wiring, new cabinet doors, new countertop and sink, and new flooring.
My question is, What comes first--and what follows?
I was planning to have the electrician rough in the wiring changes,
then have the applicances installed--so that the cabinets and the
countertop could be measured to the space that would actually exist in
the new kitchen. Then the countertop, measure and install the new
doors, the flooring, and a final painting.
Someone suggested, however, that the appliances are last--or at least
after the flooring, so that the flooring can extend some ways under
the appliances.
But this seems dangerous to me. The countertop measurements would have
to be made with the assumption that the stove would be exactly the
assumed 30 inches, same for the refrigerator. What if the apppliances
are off by 1/4 inch?! And the new cabinet doors might be a tad too
high--smash! off they come.
But this is my first (and hopefully last) kitchen re-do! What's your
experience--or theory-- on what order these different jobs should be
scheduled?
Posted by Andrew Koenig on March 4, 2004, 6:05 pm
> I was planning to have the electrician rough in the wiring changes,
> then have the applicances installed--so that the cabinets and the
> countertop could be measured to the space that would actually exist in
> the new kitchen. Then the countertop, measure and install the new
> doors, the flooring, and a final painting.
> Someone suggested, however, that the appliances are last--or at least
> after the flooring, so that the flooring can extend some ways under
> the appliances.
Yes, that makes more sense. Otherwise the edge of the flooring has to line
up with the edge of the appliances exactly.
> But this seems dangerous to me. The countertop measurements would have
> to be made with the assumption that the stove would be exactly the
> assumed 30 inches, same for the refrigerator. What if the apppliances
> are off by 1/4 inch?! And the new cabinet doors might be a tad too
> high--smash! off they come.
Floor first, then appliances, then countertop measurements.
Posted by D. Gerasimatos on March 4, 2004, 7:08 pm
>I am remodeling my kitchen, and am acting as my own main contractor.
>This is a pretty large project with new appliances, some changes in
>wiring, new cabinet doors, new countertop and sink, and new flooring.
>My question is, What comes first--and what follows?
>I was planning to have the electrician rough in the wiring changes,
>then have the applicances installed--so that the cabinets and the
>countertop could be measured to the space that would actually exist in
>the new kitchen. Then the countertop, measure and install the new
>doors, the flooring, and a final painting.
>Someone suggested, however, that the appliances are last--or at least
>after the flooring, so that the flooring can extend some ways under
>the appliances.
>But this seems dangerous to me. The countertop measurements would have
>to be made with the assumption that the stove would be exactly the
>assumed 30 inches, same for the refrigerator. What if the apppliances
>are off by 1/4 inch?! And the new cabinet doors might be a tad too
>high--smash! off they come.
You have to decide which appliances you want and then you have the exact
measurements.
Dimitri
Posted by AJScott on March 4, 2004, 9:40 pm
philalew@att.net (Lew) wrote:
(snip)
> Someone suggested, however, that the appliances are last--or at least
> after the flooring, so that the flooring can extend some ways under
> the appliances.
>
> But this seems dangerous to me. The countertop measurements would have
> to be made with the assumption that the stove would be exactly the
> assumed 30 inches, same for the refrigerator. What if the apppliances
> are off by 1/4 inch?! And the new cabinet doors might be a tad too
> high--smash! off they come.
(snip)
You weren't just going to leave it pretty much bare subfloor under
there, were you?
Really, it makes most sense to install your flooring completely beneath
the appliances because one of these days you're going to have to
pull/roll out those appliances and clean out all the crud that's
collected, spilled, and leaked under there, or when it comes time to
replace them. If you only ran the flooring to the outside of the
appliances or just slightly beneath, you might just end up tearing,
breaking off, or pulling up the adjacent visible flooring by catching an
edge when you pulled out the appliance -- or worse, not be able to move
them out at all because they won't get over the hump, so to speak.
As for your whole project, this is why people spend perfectly good money
on contractors. Way too many Murphys lurking about for those who've
never done something like this before.
AJS
Posted by Lew on March 5, 2004, 5:09 pm
> philalew@att.net (Lew) wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
> > Someone suggested, however, that the appliances are last--or at least
> > after the flooring, so that the flooring can extend some ways under
> > the appliances.
> >
> > But this seems dangerous to me. The countertop measurements would have
> > to be made with the assumption that the stove would be exactly the
> > assumed 30 inches, same for the refrigerator. What if the apppliances
> > are off by 1/4 inch?! And the new cabinet doors might be a tad too
> > high--smash! off they come.
>
> (snip)
>
> You weren't just going to leave it pretty much bare subfloor under
> there, were you?
>
> Really, it makes most sense to install your flooring completely beneath
> the appliances because one of these days you're going to have to
> pull/roll out those appliances and clean out all the crud that's
> collected, spilled, and leaked under there, or when it comes time to
> replace them. If you only ran the flooring to the outside of the
> appliances or just slightly beneath, you might just end up tearing,
> breaking off, or pulling up the adjacent visible flooring by catching an
> edge when you pulled out the appliance -- or worse, not be able to move
> them out at all because they won't get over the hump, so to speak.
>
> As for your whole project, this is why people spend perfectly good money
> on contractors. Way too many Murphys lurking about for those who've
> never done something like this before.
>
> AJS
Regarding the flooring, there is now sheet vinyl that is bonded to the
wood floor. A flooring salesman recommended putting the new flooring
directly over the old because when he tries to remove this type of
flooring the mastic that left on the wood is so rough it's virtually
impossible to smooth it, so they often lay an additional subfloor.
That seems worse.
I see your point about flooring after appliances. I'll think about
that.
And thanhks for your recommendation about an outside contractor.
We've done most of the work by nw, but if we could get one to work by
the hour, we might profit in the long run.
Lew
> then have the applicances installed--so that the cabinets and the
> countertop could be measured to the space that would actually exist in
> the new kitchen. Then the countertop, measure and install the new
> doors, the flooring, and a final painting.
> Someone suggested, however, that the appliances are last--or at least
> after the flooring, so that the flooring can extend some ways under
> the appliances.