Posted by Lou on June 11, 2008, 9:16 pm
> Curb weight of a Corolla is 2822 lbs, Prius is 2932. Only slightly
> heavier.
> Top speed of the Prius with the 1.5 L gas engine is around 105 mph.
> Personally I'd rather they left the performance the same and lowered
> the price and raised the mpg. Instead they basically raised the
> performance while keeping the price and mpg the same. I just get the
> feeling they are still marketing this car as a gimmick for people who
> want to make a statement about being "green". Not as a true "economy"
> car.
If they've kept the price "the same" it seems to me that they've done all
three - after all with inflation the 20k-25k (or whatever a Prius costs) is
worth less this year than it was last year, and next year it'll be worth
less yet.
Posted by Lou on June 11, 2008, 9:10 pm
> On a side note though, I'd be inclined to buy a 1.0L Prius hybrid, if they
> made such a thing. I wouldn't expect it to do better than about 55MPH
> maximum on the highway with the (unassisted) gasoline IC engine, though.
> And that would be fine with me. But tell the typical U.S. buyer that
it'll
> do 55MPH maximum? They'd laugh and walk away.
And then, what happens when you turn on the air conditioning? Or even the
defroster fan?
On the local interstate, I routinely (but not quite always) set the cruise
control at 55 (that was the posted speed limit for years, done as a fuel
saving measure, and you know, it still works) and stay in the right lane.
But there are times when somebody abruptly changes lanes, or at entrance
ramps, when a little extra jolt of speed is needed.
I'd say that well over 99% of my driving time is at 55 mph or less, but no
way I'd buy a car that had a max speed of 55 without some huge compensating
factor in return, on the order of triple digit mileage per gallon. And
maybe not even then - the only feasible commuting routes for my wife and me
involve interstate type roads. I know, local roads exist, but with
intersections, stop signs, traffic lights, and unlimited access from
driveways, parking lots, etc. you're lucky to average 25 mph
> That is why the 1.8L engine. With all the extra hardware, 1.8L unassisted
> will keep up (barely) with ~85MPH freeway traffic. -Dave
Posted by Dave on June 18, 2008, 2:10 pm
>> A combination of nuclear power plants and wind farms, I believe.
> If you have the nukes, there is no point in the massive environmental
> pollution that wind farms involve.
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Makes a lot more sense to swap the packaged battery.
Not really. Unless you want to create millions of jobs for licensed fork
truck operators. If that's the goal, fine. But otherwise, it makes more
sense to leave the battery package in the car. -Dave
Posted by Rod Speed on June 18, 2008, 5:07 pm
>>> A combination of nuclear power plants and wind farms, I believe.
>> If you have the nukes, there is no point in the massive environmental
pollution that wind farms involve.
> ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What are you doing down there on the floor, child ?
>>>> Standardized batteries, easily swapped at service/charging stations hooked
to the electric grid.
>>> I see a problem with that. I believe if we go that route, then it's
>>> more likely that the chemical (which stores the electric charge)
>>> will be changed quickly, not the whole battery. This would be
>>> a dangerous operation, but probably LESS dangerous than
>>> refueling an IC engine vehicle is today.
>> Makes a lot more sense to swap the packaged battery.
> Not really.
Yes, really.
> Unless you want to create millions of jobs for licensed fork truck operators.
You dont need a fork truck to do that and even if you
did, you dont need to have the car driver doing it anyway.
And the charge aint in liquid chemicals anyway.
> If that's the goal, fine. But otherwise, it makes more sense to leave the
battery package in the car.
Nope.
Posted by cr113 on June 24, 2008, 3:28 pm
> From what I've read the new Prius is going to be bigger and faster and
> get slightly better fuel mileage. I don't understand this. Why do they
> need a 1.8 L engine? That's bigger than most gas only economy cars. I
> would think they could use a 1 L engine or even smaller. Do you really
> need to go 115 mph in a Prius? If they used a smaller engine and kept
> the car the same size they could sell it for less and get much better
> mileage. Am I missing something?
I found one thing I am missing. The Prius has an Atkinson cycle engine
while the non-hybrids have Otto cycle engines. The Atkinson cycle
engine is more efficient but less powerful than an equal sized Otto
cycle engine.
> heavier.
> Top speed of the Prius with the 1.5 L gas engine is around 105 mph.
> Personally I'd rather they left the performance the same and lowered
> the price and raised the mpg. Instead they basically raised the
> performance while keeping the price and mpg the same. I just get the
> feeling they are still marketing this car as a gimmick for people who
> want to make a statement about being "green". Not as a true "economy"
> car.