Posted by g kay on June 23, 2009, 4:43 pm
Whenever we see angle brackets on sale or at a yard sale . We install
them
in the house in just about any opening or pref. a hidden angled area.
Might just make the difference in a Quake or tornado. eh?
Posted by Dave Garland on June 23, 2009, 9:48 pm
g kay wrote:
> Whenever we see angle brackets on sale or at a yard sale . We install
> them
> in the house in just about any opening or pref. a hidden angled area.
> Might just make the difference in a Quake or tornado. eh?
You use them to reinforce the joints? Or attach things to the
structure? Or what?
We don't get earthquakes in Minnesota. We do get tornadoes, but any
force that can rip the entire roof off, or pick up a car and throw it
a block, an angle bracket probably isn't going to stop.
Dave
Posted by georgewk on June 25, 2009, 7:48 am
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> > Whenever we see angle brackets on sale or at a yard sale . We install
> > them
> > in the house in just about any opening or pref. a hidden angled area.
> > Might just make the difference in a Quake or tornado. eh?
>
> it would make the difference... be sure most are where the roof
> attaches to the walls. and the roof ridge... just
> as important is to bolt the walls to the slab or foundation. That
> should have been done when the house was
> built but sometimes they skimp...or the bottom plate (2x4 supporting
> the wall studs rods out)
>
> when you use such angle clips ets be sure to sink the anchor bolts
> deep and use big flat washers.
>
>
> Phil scott
that's what farmers did from long ago. they built most everything of
wood but where needed they reinforced with metal.
In an E-quake or tornado they best you can hope for in the center of it
all is some safety. You can't build strong enough for the building to
survive, you can just buy some time to get out or ....
I wonder how Underground homes do in Tornado country?
Posted by Dave Garland on June 25, 2009, 12:29 pm
georgewk wrote:
> I wonder how Underground homes do in Tornado country?
Pretty well as far as tornadoes go. After all, the classic "tornado
shelter" is an underground room.
Dave
Posted by Rod Speed on June 25, 2009, 2:23 pm
phil scott wrote:
>> georgewk wrote
>>> I wonder how Underground homes do in Tornado country?
>> Pretty well as far as tornadoes go. After all, the
>> classic "tornado shelter" is an underground room.
> cinder block wiht rebar in the slots into the slab does well also especially
> with a 'tornado roof'..thats with 2 x8's instead of 2x4's..and with key stress
> points bolted... about 98% bullet proof. but nothing is 100%..
Thats just plain wrong. A concrete roof done right is 100% for tornados.
> well unless as you say you go undergroudd or have a partial underground with a
slab roof..
Doesnt need to be partialy underground. How many concrete multi story
buildings do you see expoded by tornadoes ? None, thats how many.
> the worst you would get in that case is 20" of the above ground glass blown
out...
And thats trivially avoidable with adequate shutters.
> (the stub walls being reinforced concrete.
Modern stand up reinforced concrete walls work fine without being partially
underground.
> btwo this is comon sonstruction in critical govt and commcl petrro
> chem facilities... and not at all unheard of in homes as you are aware...
Yep, particularly with standup concrete now quite commonly used.
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> them
> in the house in just about any opening or pref. a hidden angled area.
> Might just make the difference in a Quake or tornado. eh?