Posted by brassplyer on January 2, 2009, 2:00 pm
I have a local/long dist/DSL package with Embarq & noticed a couple of
calls on my long distance bill that I know I didn't make. It's an
unlisted number in a state where I don't know anyone, haven't had any
occasion to have any business dealings. The reason I noticed this is
that I make very few l/d calls and suddenly there was a larger amount
under the l/d than normal.
I called Embarq to advise them, and they said as I expected that "on
their records it looks like I made the calls" but as a one-time
courtesy they'll credit my account for the amount.
I went back several months online and didn't find any other mystery
calls but something else I didn't notice before is that they weren't
printing details of l/d calls on my bill. It refers me to the website
for details of the calls. When I asked about this, they said okay
they'd start printing my l/d details on the bill. This is the first
company I've dealt with that didn't do this by default. They do print
intrastate l/d calls by default. I asked if he knew why, he said it
was a cost-saving measure. When you do go to the online bill, they've
got it buried under several layers to finally see the phone number
which you have to go through every time you switch to view a different
billing period.
So either someone somehow made calls on my line or there's some issue
with their billing mis-assigning l/d charges to the wrong bill.
Wondering how the former would be accomplished, or if anyone has had
problems with the latter.
Posted by brassplyer on January 2, 2009, 2:23 pm
Repeating to add misc.consumers.house
I have a local/long dist/DSL package with Embarq & noticed a couple of
calls on my long distance bill that I know I didn't make. It's an
unlisted number in a state where I don't know anyone, haven't had any
occasion to have any business dealings. The reason I noticed this is
that I make very few l/d calls and suddenly there was a larger amount
under the l/d than normal.
I called Embarq to advise them, and they said as I expected that "on
their records it looks like I made the calls" but as a one-time
courtesy they'll credit my account for the amount.
I went back several months online and didn't find any other mystery
calls but something else I didn't notice before is that they weren't
printing details of l/d calls on my bill. It refers me to the website
for details of the calls. When I asked about this, they said okay
they'd start printing my l/d details on the bill. This is the first
company I've dealt with that didn't do this by default. They do print
intrastate l/d calls by default. I asked if he knew why, he said it
was a cost-saving measure. When you do go to the online bill, they've
got it buried under several layers to finally see the phone number
which you have to go through every time you switch to view a different
billing period.
So either someone somehow made calls on my line or there's some issue
with their billing mis-assigning l/d charges to the wrong bill.
Wondering how the former would be accomplished, or if anyone has had
problems with the latter.
Posted by Stray Dog on January 2, 2009, 9:38 pm
See farther below....
On Fri, 2 Jan 2009, brassplyer wrote:
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:00:40 -0800 (PST)
> Newsgroups: misc.consumers, misc.consumers.frugal-living
> Subject: Anyone else seeing mystery phone numbers on Embarq long distance
> bill?
>
> I have a local/long dist/DSL package with Embarq & noticed a couple of
> calls on my long distance bill that I know I didn't make. It's an
> unlisted number in a state where I don't know anyone, haven't had any
> occasion to have any business dealings. The reason I noticed this is
> that I make very few l/d calls and suddenly there was a larger amount
> under the l/d than normal.
> I called Embarq to advise them, and they said as I expected that "on
> their records it looks like I made the calls" but as a one-time
> courtesy they'll credit my account for the amount.
> I went back several months online and didn't find any other mystery
> calls but something else I didn't notice before is that they weren't
> printing details of l/d calls on my bill. It refers me to the website
> for details of the calls. When I asked about this, they said okay
> they'd start printing my l/d details on the bill. This is the first
> company I've dealt with that didn't do this by default. They do print
> intrastate l/d calls by default. I asked if he knew why, he said it
> was a cost-saving measure. When you do go to the online bill, they've
> got it buried under several layers to finally see the phone number
> which you have to go through every time you switch to view a different
> billing period.
I appreciate your concern, but you should be concerned. My bank, after
Check 21 went into effect, does not send the cancelled checks back but
provides "images". Then, I noticed recently that even the images have
disappeared and they have abbreiviated entries for the "pay to" person or
entity and so you can't even see any notes you may have written on your
check, either.
Companies seem to be deliberately _hiding_ all kinds of things on their
website and take the attitude that YOU have to go to their website and YOU
find any new policy/proceedure that they add/change/etc., on your own, and
without notice. It helps them get away with murder.
I don't know what Embarq does for you, but I am looking for any and all
kinds of "annonymous" systems out there, such as pay-as-you-go such as
tracfone. I buy with cash a PIN number that adds minutes and they don't
know who I am (they can know who I call, fine), but I have worried less
about this system than almost anything else I buy. All the banks are
getting worse about a lot of things, too. I've even had trouble at the
USPS over stuff that I should not have trouble with.
Watch out for all that fine print and look for clauses that can give you
trouble.
And, another little doozie: we've noticed here, on certain web browsers on
certain hardware, on certain websites, that not all of certain kinds of
e-commerce show up correctly or completely, either, on what is displayed
on your screen. Guess what else? Same OS, same web browser, same browser
updates, and on different hardware, also gives different screens!!! And,
when we told one CS department about this, they blew us off. And, then,
weeks later they must have gotten tons of complaints because they fixed
it. Also no announcement, no "we're sorry we ignored you," nothing. Just
big 8,000 lb gorilla out there; take your chances.
> So either someone somehow made calls on my line or there's some issue
> with their billing mis-assigning l/d charges to the wrong bill.
> Wondering how the former would be accomplished, or if anyone has had
> problems with the latter.
Hacking and phreaking (hacking the phone company, etc) may be more
advanced than you think.
Posted by Rod Speed on January 3, 2009, 1:18 am
Stray Dog wrote:
>> I have a local/long dist/DSL package with Embarq & noticed a couple
>> of calls on my long distance bill that I know I didn't make. It's an
>> unlisted number in a state where I don't know anyone, haven't had any
>> occasion to have any business dealings. The reason I noticed this is
>> that I make very few l/d calls and suddenly there was a larger amount
>> under the l/d than normal.
>>
>> I called Embarq to advise them, and they said as I expected that "on
>> their records it looks like I made the calls" but as a one-time
>> courtesy they'll credit my account for the amount.
>>
>> I went back several months online and didn't find any other mystery
>> calls but something else I didn't notice before is that they weren't
>> printing details of l/d calls on my bill. It refers me to the website
>> for details of the calls. When I asked about this, they said okay
>> they'd start printing my l/d details on the bill. This is the first
>> company I've dealt with that didn't do this by default. They do print
>> intrastate l/d calls by default. I asked if he knew why, he said it
>> was a cost-saving measure. When you do go to the online bill, they've
>> got it buried under several layers to finally see the phone number
>> which you have to go through every time you switch to view a
>> different billing period.
> I appreciate your concern, but you should be concerned. My bank, after Check
21 went into effect, does not send the
> cancelled checks back but provides "images".
Only fools/dinosaurs use checks anymore.
> Then, I noticed recently that even the images have disappeared and they have
abbreiviated entries for the "pay to"
> person or entity and so you can't even see any notes you may have written on
your check, either.
Only fools/dinosaurs write notes on the checks.
> Companies seem to be deliberately _hiding_ all kinds of things on their
website and take the attitude that YOU have to
> go to their website and YOU find any new policy/
> proceedure that they add/change/etc., on your own, and without notice. It
helps them get away with murder.
Yeah, yeah, its those damned jews conspiring in smoke filled rooms to shaft us
all...
> I don't know what Embarq does for you, but I am looking for any and
> all kinds of "annonymous" systems out there, such as pay-as-you-go
> such as tracfone. I buy with cash a PIN number that adds minutes and
> they don't know who I am (they can know who I call, fine), but I have
> worried less about this system than almost anything else I buy. All
> the banks are getting worse about a lot of things, too. I've even had
> trouble at the USPS over stuff that I should not have trouble with.
You should do the decent thing and set fire to yourself in 'protest' or sumfin.
> Watch out for all that fine print and look for clauses that can give you
trouble.
Most havent been given the bums rush and have plenty better to do with their
time.
> And, another little doozie: we've noticed here, on certain web browsers on
certain hardware, on certain websites, that
> not all of certain kinds of e-commerce show up correctly or completely,
either, on what is displayed on your screen.
> Guess what else? Same OS, same web browser, same browser updates, and on
different hardware, also gives different
> screens!!!
Thats those damned jews again!!!!!!
> And, when we told one CS department about this, they blew us off.
Cant imagine why for the life of me.
> And, then, weeks later they must have gotten tons of complaints because they
fixed it.
Or you ran out of the whacky weed...
> Also no announcement, no "we're sorry we ignored you," nothing. Just big 8,000
lb gorilla out there; take your
> chances.
You should do the decent thing and set fire to yourself in 'protest' or sumfin.
>> So either someone somehow made calls on my line or there's some issue
>> with their billing mis-assigning l/d charges to the wrong bill.
>> Wondering how the former would be accomplished, or if anyone has had
>> problems with the latter.
> Hacking and phreaking (hacking the phone company, etc) may be more advanced
than you think.
Or you've been at that whacky weed, again.
Posted by s2000hondas2000 on January 6, 2009, 7:00 am
> Only fools/dinosaurs use checks anymore.
DOT only takes checks, no cash, no cc. Stick to things you know, like
welfare.
> Newsgroups: misc.consumers, misc.consumers.frugal-living
> Subject: Anyone else seeing mystery phone numbers on Embarq long distance
> bill?
>
> I have a local/long dist/DSL package with Embarq & noticed a couple of
> calls on my long distance bill that I know I didn't make. It's an
> unlisted number in a state where I don't know anyone, haven't had any
> occasion to have any business dealings. The reason I noticed this is
> that I make very few l/d calls and suddenly there was a larger amount
> under the l/d than normal.
> I called Embarq to advise them, and they said as I expected that "on
> their records it looks like I made the calls" but as a one-time
> courtesy they'll credit my account for the amount.
> I went back several months online and didn't find any other mystery
> calls but something else I didn't notice before is that they weren't
> printing details of l/d calls on my bill. It refers me to the website
> for details of the calls. When I asked about this, they said okay
> they'd start printing my l/d details on the bill. This is the first
> company I've dealt with that didn't do this by default. They do print
> intrastate l/d calls by default. I asked if he knew why, he said it
> was a cost-saving measure. When you do go to the online bill, they've
> got it buried under several layers to finally see the phone number
> which you have to go through every time you switch to view a different
> billing period.