Posted by Anonymous on April 29, 2008, 5:59 pm
Have to have hernia surgery; only have Medicare.
My choices are go to emergency room and take pot luck on the surgeon at a
hospital not exactly known for it's excellence OR go to doctors office and
probably have them ask me for a deposit before they will do anything. My guess
is emergency room will result in big overcharges that they will want me to pay
only I am judgement proof-they cannot get blood from a turnip, OR go to private
surgeon; my guess is he will say, you need to deposit XX dollars before I will
do it. Anyone here been in a similar situation that can offer helpful advice or
information? Thanks much!
Posted by Goomba38 on April 29, 2008, 10:09 pm
Anonymous wrote:
> Have to have hernia surgery; only have Medicare.
>
> My choices are go to emergency room and take pot luck on the surgeon at a
hospital not exactly known for it's excellence OR go to doctors office and
probably have them ask me for a deposit before they will do anything. My guess
is emergency room will result in big overcharges that they will want me to pay
only I am judgement proof-they cannot get blood from a turnip, OR go to private
surgeon; my guess is he will say, you need to deposit XX dollars before I will
do it. Anyone here been in a similar situation that can offer helpful advice or
information? Thanks much!
>
Emergency rooms are for emergencies. If you're not having bowel
incarceration (and you'd probably know this and it would be an
emergency!) you don't belong in an emergency room for this.
Since you know about it in advance you have time to find a doctor who
accepts Medicare and can arrange to find one that uses the hospital you
prefer.
Posted by Denise Stillwagon on May 8, 2008, 1:09 am
Yes, I did. That WAS after discount. :-(
The one bill I AM going to fight when they finally send it is the original
E.R. visit in Oct. when they diagnosed Gallstones. I was looped on
painkillers when they sent me for testing and didn't bother to ask
questions. They gave me a CT scan to detect gall bladder trouble when,
according to my DR.....they could have and should have determined the
problem with a simple ultrsound. My DR. was irate. I'll pay a few thousand
for something that should have been a few hundred.
But they won't see it. I'm going to see if I can get them to settle for
2,000.00
Denise
> Denise Stillwagon wrote:
> > The surgery was done Feb. 27th with the grand total of a little over
> > $13,000.00
> > To my great surprise....The surgeon and Anesthesiologist each got about
$1,
> > 300.00 THE REST WAS THE HOSPITAL CHARGES. The Surgeon and Anesth.
are
> > the ones who take all the risk and pay astronomical insurance
> > costs.......the hospital supplies me with ice water for the less than 24
> > hours I was there and gets rich.
> > Go figure.
> > So, you can see where the REAL crooks lie.
> Did you talk to the hospital ombudsperson about a price reduction
> because -- to them -- you were paying cash? When I actually WAS paying
> cash for an emergency admission the hospital settled for the deposit I
> made on admission.
> OTOH, I'm refusing to deal with a hospital who insists we owe ~$200 in
> unpaid Medicare/Blue Cross charges. I told them to tell me what the
> money is for or to sue me. So far they just send a bill every once in a
> while. Screw 'em.
> --
> Cheers, Bev
> ===============================================
> Jesus saves. Buddha makes incremental backups.
Posted by Gene S. Berkowitz on May 10, 2008, 9:28 am
stillwagon@windstream.net says...
> Hi all,
>
> Just a recently experienced opinion here.
>
> I am uninsured. (I couldn't afford the $500-$600 a month) I ended up in the
> ER this past Oct. to find out I needed gallbladder surgery. That visit cost
> me $6,000.00. Only $345.00 went to the Dr., the rest went to the hospital.
> After staying on a low-fat to no-fat diet and loosing 30, it still wasn't
> enough to prevent surgery, I was terribly sick.
> The Surgeon AND Hospital made me prepay for my surgery to have it done.
> I had to apply for a credit card, and between 2 cards, covered the
> $10,000.00 they wanted. (I was NEVER in debt before.....I'm over my head
> now)
> The surgery was done Feb. 27th with the grand total of a little over
> $13,000.00
> To my great surprise....The surgeon and Anesthesiologist each got about $1,
> 300.00 THE REST WAS THE HOSPITAL CHARGES. The Surgeon and Anesth. are
> the ones who take all the risk and pay astronomical insurance
> costs.......the hospital supplies me with ice water for the less than 24
> hours I was there and gets rich.
They also supplied you with a sterile operating room and surgical
instruments. All of which must be re-sterilized or replaced after your
procedure, requiring yet more staff (to perform the cleaning and
sterilization) and equipment, such as a steam autoclave to sterilize the
scalpel the surgeon used.
Your surgeon likely performed laproscopic surgery to remove your
gallbladder, resulting in you having three tiny incisions rather than a
gut-splitting gash across your abdomen. That little trick only took
about a decade of research to figure out, and a year of training for the
surgeon, plus a laparoscope that runs about $10,000. And needs to be
sterilized, repaired, and replaced occasionally.
Now, you could have had all this done on your kitchen table, with
whatever was handy, with a little dish soap or iodine to keep things
clean, and it's possible you might not even die from the secondary
infections, assuming you survived the operation.
--Gene
> Go figure.
> So, you can see where the REAL crooks lie.
>
> Have a great day all.
>
> Denise
Posted by <h> on May 11, 2008, 8:43 am
> On Wed, 7 May 2008 02:17:39 -0400, "Denise Stillwagon"
>>Hi all,
>>
>>Just a recently experienced opinion here.
>>
>>I am uninsured. (I couldn't afford the $500-$600 a month) I ended up in
>>the
>>ER this past Oct. to find out I needed gallbladder surgery. That visit
>>cost
>>me $6,000.00. Only $345.00 went to the Dr., the rest went to the hospital.
>>After staying on a low-fat to no-fat diet and loosing 30, it still wasn't
>>enough to prevent surgery, I was terribly sick.
Yes, you were still very sick because, unfortunately, the medical profession
knows nothing about healthy nutrition. If you had cut out all carbs instead
of all fats, you would have lost even more weight and your gallbladder would
have been fine. Doctors don't cure disease, they just treat symptoms.
>
> My choices are go to emergency room and take pot luck on the surgeon at a