Posted by Rod Speed on September 7, 2009, 2:26 pm
zeez wrote:
> "if the magnetic field of a strike synchronizes with the heart's T
> wave, the heart can stop. Check everyone from babies to the elderly"
> Thisis rather frightning but seems plausable. After all, I've seen
> sparks shoot off of guy wires through inductance even though
> the bbolt was miles away
It wasnt thru inductance.
> http://lightningtalks.com/LightningSafety.htm
Posted by Ad absurdum per aspera on September 9, 2009, 7:55 pm
> > "if the magnetic field of a strike synchronizes with the heart's T
> > wave, the heart can stop. Check everyone from babies to the elderly"
> > This is rather frightening but seems plausible. After all, I've seen
> > sparks shoot off of guy wires through inductance even though
> > the bolt was miles away
> It wasn't thru inductance.
To clarify this a little: Inductance from lightning is a big problem
in power transmission. So are ground currents. However, I wouldn't
expect the range of such phenomena to be measured in "miles." If you
see "sparks flying" from a guy wire, I'd frankly guess it was corona
discharge from a high electric field nearby -- high enough to likely
result in a bolt in your near vicinity pretty soon -- or a direct hit,
or maybe a strong induced current, from a fairly nearby bolt.
As for the original UL -- keep in mind that I'm not a doctor or other
medical professional and don't even play one on the Internet -- some
lightning victims can exhibit various T-wave-related EKG weirdnesses
during their recovery, but I think it's an effect, not a cause.
(Punch "lightning T wave" into your favorite search engine; also
"mechanisms of lightning injury") I would need some convincing
otherwise, with technical literature cites.
Note that lightning injury, including cardiac arrest, can and does
happen to bystanders who didn't participate firsthand in the actual
lightning bolt. These may even amount to as many as half of lightning-
injury victims. Anyone who thinks they received a shock as part of
a lightning strike should seek medical advice.
--Joe
Posted by Rod Speed on September 9, 2009, 8:42 pm
Ad absurdum per aspera wrote
>>> "if the magnetic field of a strike synchronizes with the heart's T
>>> wave, the heart can stop. Check everyone from babies to the elderly"
>>> This is rather frightening but seems plausible. After all, I've seen
>>> sparks shoot off of guy wires through inductance even though
>>> the bolt was miles away
>> It wasn't thru inductance.
> To clarify this a little: Inductance from lightning is a big
> problem in power transmission. So are ground currents.
Yes, but neither of those happen over miles.
> However, I wouldn't expect the range of such phenomena to be measured in
"miles."
Precisely.
> If you see "sparks flying" from a guy wire, I'd frankly guess
> it was corona discharge from a high electric field nearby --
Or to one.
> high enough to likely result in a bolt in your near vicinity pretty soon
Not necessarily. That can be discharged by a bolt miles away.
> -- or a direct hit, or maybe a strong induced current, from a fairly nearby
bolt.
> As for the original UL -- keep in mind that I'm not a doctor or other
> medical professional and don't even play one on the Internet -- some
> lightning victims can exhibit various T-wave-related EKG weirdnesses
> during their recovery, but I think it's an effect, not a cause.
Yep.
> (Punch "lightning T wave" into your favorite search engine; also
> "mechanisms of lightning injury") I would need some convincing
> otherwise, with technical literature cites.
> Note that lightning injury, including cardiac arrest, can and does
> happen to bystanders who didn't participate firsthand in the actual
> lightning bolt.
Yep, mostly due to ground currents and the effect of those via the feet.
> These may even amount to as many as half of lightning- injury victims.
Varys with the circumstances.
> Anyone who thinks they received a shock as part of a lightning strike should
seek medical advice.
Not really necessary if there are no visible effects. You dont get a delayed
action result.
> wave, the heart can stop. Check everyone from babies to the elderly"
> Thisis rather frightning but seems plausable. After all, I've seen
> sparks shoot off of guy wires through inductance even though
> the bbolt was miles away