Posted by Dennis P. Harris on January 23, 2007, 4:16 pm
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:06:30 GMT in misc.consumers.frugal-living,
> You can not remove the automatic citizenship by legislation, it takes
> a constitutional amendment.
and when did right wingnut xenophobes ever become interested in
FACTS? that might cause cognitive dissonance, maybe even make
their heads explode!
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Posted by Dennis on January 23, 2007, 4:32 pm
wrote:
> You can not remove the automatic citizenship by legislation, it takes
>a constitutional amendment.
Maybe not. There is a camp of legal scholars who maintain that being
in the US illegally results in making the automatic citizenship for
offspring provision not applicable. Apparently there are a number of
potential legal precedents. So perhaps all it would take is someone
pursuing a case sufficiently to force a ruling by the Supreme Court.
I don't pretend to understand the law well enough to know one way or
another, but it is an interesting point.
Dennis (evil)
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What the government gives, it must first take.
Posted by William Souden on January 23, 2007, 1:51 pm
Dennis wrote:
> wrote:
>
>> You can not remove the automatic citizenship by legislation, it takes
>> a constitutional amendment.
>
> Maybe not. There is a camp of legal scholars who maintain that being
> in the US illegally results in making the automatic citizenship for
> offspring provision not applicable. Apparently there are a number of
> potential legal precedents. So perhaps all it would take is someone
> pursuing a case sufficiently to force a ruling by the Supreme Court.
>
> I don't pretend to understand the law well enough to know one way or
> another, but it is an interesting point.
>
> Dennis (evil)
The court has repeatedly held that those offspring are citizens.
Posted by jimstevens on January 23, 2007, 11:30 pm
>> Which is the more likely outcome of this bill if passed?
>>
>> The parents will gather up their children and return to the country from
>> whence they came, which in nearly all cases does not provide welfare
>> payments, public housing, food stamps or disability payments to its own
>> citizens.
>>
>> Or
>>
>> The kids will attempt to replace lost benefits by resorting to crime.
>And then the same politician will gleefully announce, "See? I *was* right to
>stop their benefits. They're nothing but a bunch of criminals!" - and the
>sad thing is: a hell of a lot of intellectually-challenged people will
>believe him and not realise it's his fault they're stealing!
That is another issue. Jail them and deport their kin. Deport them
when their sentences are fully served.
Posted by nemo on January 24, 2007, 9:09 pm
> That's rather insaely simplistic. And rather more inaccurate that is
> believeable. Or perhaps you flunked history?
And that statement is a complete non-sequitur.
And what is 'insaely'? A cross between insanely and inanely?
Looks as if the whole thing was written in rather a temper.
:o)
> nemo wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>>Which is the more likely outcome of this bill if passed?
> >>>>
> >>>>The parents will gather up their children and return to the country
> >
> > from
> >
> >>>>whence they came, which in nearly all cases does not provide welfare
> >>>>payments, public housing, food stamps or disability payments to its
own
> >>>>citizens.
> >>>>
> >>>>Or
> >>>>
> >>>>The kids will attempt to replace lost benefits by resorting to crime.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>And then the same politician will gleefully announce, "See? I *was*
right
> >
> > to
> >
> >>>stop their benefits. They're nothing but a bunch of criminals!" - and
the
> >>>sad thing is: a hell of a lot of intellectually-challenged people will
> >>>believe him and not realise it's his fault they're stealing!
> >>
> >>That is another issue. Jail them and deport their kin. Deport them
> >>when their sentences are fully served.
> >
> >
> > Why?
> >
> > If we deported our illegal immigrants, our economy would suffer. In fact
> > there's talk of an amnesty over here.
> >
> > And if we all stopped kicking people when they're down just so we can
feel
> > superior, the world would be a much better place.
> >
> >
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> a constitutional amendment.