Posted by Bear Bottoms on July 2, 2007, 6:04 am
wrote:
> Agree. Some FOSS apps have monetary or non-monetary costs. Freeware and
> FOSS are complementary terms if you use sensible definitions. ;)
> Freeware may or nay not also be FOSS. FOSS may or may not also be
> Freeware.
> Susan
Freeware is free software period. You have no authority to define anything
but for yourself. Others have to decide for themselves what they will or
won't accept.
--
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Freeware website: http://bearbottoms1.com
Posted by Allen on July 2, 2007, 9:55 am
Susan Bugher wrote:
> Unclaimed Mysteries wrote:
>> Susan Bugher wrote:
>>> Unclaimed Mysteries wrote:
>
>>>>>> The Gimp is not freeware, by a strict definition of that term.
>
>>> Please define your "strict definition" of Freeware. Please explain
>>> why The Gimp does not meet that definition.
>>>
>>> on second thought. . . nevermind.
>
>> Good choice. Try this instead. They are diplomatic and authoritative:
>> http://www.bellevuelinux.org/freeware.html
>>
>> This is NOT diplomatic:
>> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Freeware
>
> "Freeware is computer software that is made available free of charge,
> but which is copyrighted by its developer, who retains the rights to
> control its distribution, modify it and sell it in the future. It is
> typically distributed without its source code, thus preventing
> modification by its users."
>
> That's not a "strict definition". It's a STUPID definition. It includes
> such things as Adware and Spyware while excluding FOSS apps.
>
>> With freeware, all_you_get_is_the_executable.
>
> True only if you use a STUPID definition of Freeware. ;)
>
> Like I said, sometimes
>> that's enough.
>
>>> The Gimp *IS* Freeware by alt.comp.freeware's definition. (The Gimp
>>> is also FOSS (free open source software)).
>
> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/WareGlossary.php#Freeware
> "Freeware: Legally obtainable software that you may use at no cost,
> monetary or otherwise, for as long as you wish."
>
> Please note that alt.comp.freeware's definition excludes apps with
> non-monetary costs => Spyware and Adware programs are not Freeware.
>
>> But they are not synonyms. That's all I'm sayin'.
>
> Agree. Some FOSS apps have monetary or non-monetary costs. Freeware and
> FOSS are complementary terms if you use sensible definitions. ;)
> Freeware may or nay not also be FOSS. FOSS may or may not also be Freeware.
>
> Susan
Perhaps it would clear the air if you did the following, Susan:
Tell us specifically (not in nebulous terms) about about GIMP costs
money. Do not include the expense of download time from your ISP, the
cost of any extra memory required to run it, etc. Again, tell us
_SPECIFICALLY_ costs you/us money.
Allen
Posted by Susan Bugher on July 2, 2007, 12:14 pm
Allen wrote:
> Susan Bugher wrote:
>> Unclaimed Mysteries wrote:
>>> Susan Bugher wrote:
>>>> Unclaimed Mysteries wrote:
>>>>>>> The Gimp is not freeware, by a strict definition of that term.
>>>> Please define your "strict definition" of Freeware. Please explain
>>>> why The Gimp does not meet that definition.
>>>>
>>>> on second thought. . . nevermind.
>>
>>
>>> Good choice. Try this instead. They are diplomatic and authoritative:
>>> http://www.bellevuelinux.org/freeware.html
>>>
>>> This is NOT diplomatic:
>>> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Freeware
>>
>>
>> "Freeware is computer software that is made available free of charge,
>> but which is copyrighted by its developer, who retains the rights to
>> control its distribution, modify it and sell it in the future. It is
>> typically distributed without its source code, thus preventing
>> modification by its users."
>>
>> That's not a "strict definition". It's a STUPID definition. It
>> includes such things as Adware and Spyware while excluding FOSS apps.
>>
>>> With freeware, all_you_get_is_the_executable.
>>
>>
>> True only if you use a STUPID definition of Freeware. ;)
>>
>> Like I said, sometimes
>>
>>> that's enough.
>>
>>
>>>> The Gimp *IS* Freeware by alt.comp.freeware's definition. (The Gimp
>>>> is also FOSS (free open source software)).
>>
>>
>> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/WareGlossary.php#Freeware
>> "Freeware: Legally obtainable software that you may use at no cost,
>> monetary or otherwise, for as long as you wish."
>>
>> Please note that alt.comp.freeware's definition excludes apps with
>> non-monetary costs => Spyware and Adware programs are not Freeware.
>>
>>> But they are not synonyms. That's all I'm sayin'.
>> Agree. Some FOSS apps have monetary or non-monetary costs. Freeware
>> and FOSS are complementary terms if you use sensible definitions. ;)
>> Freeware may or nay not also be FOSS. FOSS may or may not also be
>> Freeware.
> Perhaps it would clear the air if you did the following, Susan:
>
> Tell us specifically (not in nebulous terms) about about GIMP costs
> money. Do not include the expense of download time from your ISP, the
> cost of any extra memory required to run it, etc. Again, tell us
> _SPECIFICALLY_ costs you/us money.
erm. . . Unclaimed Mysteries made the not Freeware comment. *I* said
The Gimp was Freeware and FOSS.
Susan
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Posted by JackBenny on July 2, 2007, 4:32 pm
>Mea culpa! I got lost in all the back-and-forth of this thread. Perhaps,
>then Unclaimed Mysteries will answer the question. To me and most people
>freeware means something that is free, and any other definition is
>ridiculous. Again, mea culpa.
>Allen
While spyware and adware are also "freeware" in the sense that you
don't pay for them, the terms "spyware" and "adware" further define
and categorize this form of "freeware" so that people can distinguish.
To me, (I'm not sure of the actual definition) "freeware" should not
attract or have ads, nor spy on the user; if it does, then "spyware"
and "adware" are better names for it.
Freeware should be 100% free for the life of it, have no limits on its
use (such as "only partially functional") and have no ads or spyware.
If it has ads or spyware, then it really isn't "free".
Posted by Bear Bottoms on July 2, 2007, 5:00 am
wrote:
> Unclaimed Mysteries wrote:
>> Logan Shaw wrote:
>>>> The Gimp is not freeware, by a strict definition of that term.
>>> I'm not looking to start a debate. I'm just wondering what good it
>>> does to reference "a strict definition" when you haven't given any
>>> details about what that definition is and there is not broad agreement
>>> on a single definition for the term. (See, for example, the
>>> definitions on m-w.com and wikipedia.org, neither of which really
>>> fits with your strict definition.)
>> I'm sorry, I fell asleep. Could you repeat the question?
> Please define your "strict definition" of Freeware. Please explain why
> The Gimp does not meet that definition.
> on second thought. . . nevermind.
> The Gimp *IS* Freeware by alt.comp.freeware's definition. (The Gimp is
> also FOSS (free open source software)).
> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/WareGlossary.php#Freeware
> "Freeware: Legally obtainable software that you may use at no cost,
> monetary or otherwise, for as long as you wish."
> Susan
ACF doesn't have a definition of freeware. Pricelessware does not define
this NG.
--
Bear Bottoms
Freeware website: http://bearbottoms1.com
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> FOSS are complementary terms if you use sensible definitions. ;)
> Freeware may or nay not also be FOSS. FOSS may or may not also be
> Freeware.
> Susan