Posted by krw on February 1, 2010, 10:14 pm
>>>The latest ruling that opens the gate for company "donations" to
>>>political campaigns is just a way for industry (or other wealthy
>>>interest groups) to BUY congress.
>>
>> Bullshit. You really should learn something before spouting such
>> nonsense.
>>
>>>Now, surely enough, congress has pimped itself for years, but
>>>this brings pimpdon to a holy acceptable status.
>>
>> Ditto.
>I dont need to learn anything about this bill, and I cant believe you
>would respond in such an ignorant way. Now businesses can
>donate to campaigns at essentially unregulated levels..
Wrong. They cannot donate to campaigns at all. They may state their
opinions, but not give one thin dime to a candidate.
>If you have a point, make it, but dont just spout crap.
Read the decision, is my point. You clearly have been listening to
Obama, not reality.
Posted by hls on February 2, 2010, 9:18 am
>>If you have a point, make it, but dont just spout crap.
>
> Read the decision, is my point. You clearly have been listening to
> Obama, not reality.
This is the decision of the Court.
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-205.pdf
It is a bit broad, in a place or two, about expenditures of political
action committees. It IS couched in terms of free speech and
communication, and frees organized to spend in these areas - in
other words to get the candidate of advantage by the juridical
"person" elected.
I still say it is a way for big money interests to buy a candidate.
Posted by Rod Speed on February 2, 2010, 2:18 pm
hls wrote:
>>> If you have a point, make it, but dont just spout crap.
>>
>> Read the decision, is my point. You clearly have been listening to
>> Obama, not reality.
> This is the decision of the Court.
> http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-205.pdf
> It is a bit broad, in a place or two, about expenditures of political
> action committees. It IS couched in terms of free speech and
> communication, and frees organized to spend in these areas - in
> other words to get the candidate of advantage by the juridical
> "person" elected.
> I still say it is a way for big money interests to buy a candidate.
Of course it is, and if you dont like that, campaign to amend the constitution.
Corse you will have to do that in the face of corporate TV advertising opposing
that.
If you dont like that, blame those who wrote that constitutional amendment that
did not have
the forsight to predict that downside of their very swingeing wording they chose
to have.
But hard to lynch a corps now tho.
Posted by hls on February 2, 2010, 3:15 pm
> hls wrote:
>>>> If you have a point, make it, but dont just spout crap.
>>>
>>> Read the decision, is my point. You clearly have been listening to
>>> Obama, not reality.
>>
>> This is the decision of the Court.
>> http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-205.pdf
>>
>> It is a bit broad, in a place or two, about expenditures of political
>> action committees. It IS couched in terms of free speech and
>> communication, and frees organized to spend in these areas - in
>> other words to get the candidate of advantage by the juridical
>> "person" elected.
>>
>> I still say it is a way for big money interests to buy a candidate.
> Of course it is, and if you dont like that, campaign to amend the
> constitution.
> Corse you will have to do that in the face of corporate TV advertising
> opposing that.
> If you dont like that, blame those who wrote that constitutional amendment
> that did not have
> the forsight to predict that downside of their very swingeing wording they
> chose to have.
> But hard to lynch a corps now tho.
We, the lowly citizens, cant even get our elected officials to look at term
limits, real
campaign finance reform, etc.
And, no, I dont like the fact that our government is effectively steered by
lobbyists
representing big money groups.
We tread along the tightwire of the law, sometimes, but I feel that the
intent for
government by, of, and for the people is being hijacked.
It is all about money and power.
Posted by Rod Speed on February 2, 2010, 3:41 pm
hls wrote
>> hls wrote
>>>>> If you have a point, make it, but dont just spout crap.
>>>> Read the decision, is my point. You clearly have been listening to Obama,
not reality.
>>> This is the decision of the Court.
>>> http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-205.pdf
>>> It is a bit broad, in a place or two, about expenditures of
>>> political action committees. It IS couched in terms of free speech
>>> and communication, and frees organized to spend in these areas - in
>>> other words to get the candidate of advantage by the juridical
>>> "person" elected.
>>> I still say it is a way for big money interests to buy a candidate.
>> Of course it is, and if you dont like that, campaign to amend the
constitution.
>> Corse you will have to do that in the face of corporate TV advertising
opposing that.
>> If you dont like that, blame those who wrote that constitutional amendment
that did not have the forsight to predict
>> that downside of their very swingeing wording they chose to have.
>> Bit hard to lynch a corpse now tho.
> We, the lowly citizens, cant even get our elected officials to look at term
limits, real campaign finance reform, etc.
Hardly surprising given that they are dug in now.
> And, no, I dont like the fact that our government is effectively
> steered by lobbyists representing big money groups.
Blame that on the farts that wrote the constitution.
> We tread along the tightwire of the law, sometimes, but I feel that
> the intent for government by, of, and for the people is being hijacked.
> It is all about money and power.
Then set fire to yourself outside Congress or sumfin.
>>>political campaigns is just a way for industry (or other wealthy
>>>interest groups) to BUY congress.
>>
>> Bullshit. You really should learn something before spouting such
>> nonsense.
>>
>>>Now, surely enough, congress has pimped itself for years, but
>>>this brings pimpdon to a holy acceptable status.
>>
>> Ditto.
>I dont need to learn anything about this bill, and I cant believe you
>would respond in such an ignorant way. Now businesses can
>donate to campaigns at essentially unregulated levels..