Posted by Lou on January 8, 2010, 9:01 pm
> Lou wrote:
> >> It should really be six to eight equivalent glasses of liquids
> >> (drinks, vegetables, fruits, etc).
> >
> > Since suffering through my third kidney stone a few weeks ago, I've
> > been seeing a urologist. He recommends 96 ounces (3 US quarts) of
> > fluid a day, and recommends it be mostly, if not all, water. But
> > it's really just a rule of thumb, how much fluid a person needs
> > varies with circumstance - someone running a marathon on a hot summer
> > day requires more water than those watching TV on a cold winter
> > night. A possibly better rule of thumb is to produce 3 quarts of
> > urine a day - again, that will require drinking more fluids on hot
> > active days than on cool, inactive ones.
> Since a large part of the water you consume is lost as perspiration and
moisture
> in exhaled air, I seriously doubt the the "3 quarts of urine" is good
advise.
Well, my doctor advised on input, not output. But it was clear from the
conversation that what he was aiming for was a lot of throughput for the
kidneys - the less concentrated the urine, the lower the likelihood of
forming another stone. Also, I had to take a 24 hour urine test, and one of
the things measured is volume. Mine was slightly over 3 liters (which is
more than 3 quarts) and he pronounced that good. He also said that there's
a kidney stone season - basically more people have more stones during the
summer because it's more difficult to drink enough to compensate for
increased perspiration. Lastly, one author (Piers Anthony) wrote that he
had a kidney stone, and his doctor prescribed a gallon of urine a day -
drink however much water was necessary to p*** a gallon a day, regardless of
how much water vapor you exhale and how much you sweat.
I'll grant that this is a small sample (only two adults) and both are male,
and somewhat past 30 (in my case, I've been a little past 30 for somewhat
longer than 360 months), and everyone's an individual. For all I know, you
could be a smaller than average female in her teens. But please pardon me
if I doubt your doubts.
Posted by Rod Speed on January 8, 2010, 9:03 pm
Lou wrote
>> Lou wrote
>>>> It should really be six to eight equivalent glasses
>>>> of liquids (drinks, vegetables, fruits, etc).
>>> Since suffering through my third kidney stone a few weeks ago, I've
>>> been seeing a urologist. He recommends 96 ounces (3 US quarts) of
>>> fluid a day, and recommends it be mostly, if not all, water. But
>>> it's really just a rule of thumb, how much fluid a person needs
>>> varies with circumstance - someone running a marathon on a hot
>>> summer day requires more water than those watching TV on a cold
>>> winter night. A possibly better rule of thumb is to produce 3
>>> quarts of urine a day - again, that will require drinking more
>>> fluids on hot active days than on cool, inactive ones.
>> Since a large part of the water you consume is lost as perspiration
>> and moisture in exhaled air, I seriously doubt the the "3 quarts of
>> urine" is good advise.
> Well, my doctor advised on input, not output. But it was clear from
> the conversation that what he was aiming for was a lot of throughput
> for the kidneys - the less concentrated the urine, the lower the
> likelihood of forming another stone. Also, I had to take a 24 hour
> urine test, and one of the things measured is volume. Mine was
> slightly over 3 liters (which is more than 3 quarts) and he
> pronounced that good. He also said that there's a kidney stone
> season - basically more people have more stones during the summer
> because it's more difficult to drink enough to compensate for
> increased perspiration. Lastly, one author (Piers Anthony) wrote
> that he had a kidney stone, and his doctor prescribed a gallon of
> urine a day - drink however much water was necessary to p*** a gallon
> a day, regardless of how much water vapor you exhale and how much you
> sweat.
It certainly does make sense to work on the piss volume
if you are trying to avoid kidney stones, because thats
what matters as far as the more diluted piss is concerned.
The very fundamental problem with that sort of doctor's recommendation
tho is that they only see those that get kidney stones. They dont see those
who piss a lot less than they recommend and dont get kidney stones anyway.
> I'll grant that this is a small sample (only two adults) and both are
> male, and somewhat past 30 (in my case, I've been a little past 30
> for somewhat longer than 360 months), and everyone's an individual.
> For all I know, you could be a smaller than average female in her
> teens. But please pardon me if I doubt your doubts.
I'm a male more than twice as old as you and I dont piss anything like that
much, not even half that much and have never ever had a kidney stone.
And none of my relatives have ever had one either.
Posted by 3877 on January 8, 2010, 6:59 pm
clams_casino wrote:
> Joe Negron wrote:
>>
>>
>>> 20 Ways to Cut Your Grocery Bills
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> 5. Drink tap water. Almost all municipal water in America is so good
>>> that nobody ever needs to drink water from Italy or France (or
>>> Maine, for that matter). Getting the recommended eight glasses a
>>> day from
>> -------------------------------------------
>> This is a myth. Google "eight glasses water daily myth" or
>> check snopes.com.
>>
>>
>>
> It should really be six to eight equivalent glasses of liquids
> (drinks, vegetables, fruits, etc).
Still wrong in winter without house heating.
Posted by 3877 on January 9, 2010, 5:16 pm
clams_casino wrote:
> 3877 wrote:
>> clams_casino wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Joe Negron wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 20 Ways to Cut Your Grocery Bills
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. Drink tap water. Almost all municipal water in America is so
>>>>> good that nobody ever needs to drink water from Italy or France
>>>>> (or Maine, for that matter). Getting the recommended eight
>>>>> glasses a day from
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>> This is a myth. Google "eight glasses water daily myth" or
>>>> check snopes.com.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It should really be six to eight equivalent glasses of liquids
>>> (drinks, vegetables, fruits, etc).
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Still wrong in winter without house heating.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> any cites? or just your opinion?
Do not need a cite for something as basic as what is needed varying
significantly between summer and winter.
That is obviously not just opinion, it is trivially establishable fact.
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> >> It should really be six to eight equivalent glasses of liquids
> >> (drinks, vegetables, fruits, etc).
> >
> > Since suffering through my third kidney stone a few weeks ago, I've
> > been seeing a urologist. He recommends 96 ounces (3 US quarts) of
> > fluid a day, and recommends it be mostly, if not all, water. But
> > it's really just a rule of thumb, how much fluid a person needs
> > varies with circumstance - someone running a marathon on a hot summer
> > day requires more water than those watching TV on a cold winter
> > night. A possibly better rule of thumb is to produce 3 quarts of
> > urine a day - again, that will require drinking more fluids on hot
> > active days than on cool, inactive ones.
> Since a large part of the water you consume is lost as perspiration and