Posted by EskWIRED on December 3, 2008, 8:38 pm
> While we're all happily employed (yeah right) building roads and bridges,
> our tax rates are sky-high, and employers (private employers) are leaving
> the country in droves.
Nothing need be so black and white.
--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel
Posted by Sue on December 3, 2008, 9:23 pm
>Dan wrote:
>> Dave wrote:
>>
>>> If you CUT taxes, GDP will rise.
>>> When GDP rises, tax income increases also, even though the tax rate (by
>>> percentage) is lower.
>>
>> Ah, yes, Voodoo economics. THAT works well... [NOT]
>>
>>> Obama's strategy to rebuild infrastructure will help a little in the
>>> short
>>> term and hurt a lot in the long term.
>>
>> actually, it will help enormously in the long run.
>>
>>> If you want to spur the economy to
>>> get it out of this depression and KEEP it out of this depression, you
>>> drastically cut all government programs and lower taxes.
>>
>> Any EVIDENCE that might work?
>>
>>> If you do that
>>> (and this is counter-intuitive to some) tax revenue to the U.S.
>>> government
>>> will actually INCREASE over time.
>>
>> Any EVIDENCE that might happen (and PLEASE do not embarrass yourself by
>> citing "the Reagan years.")?
>>
>>> The goal is to make the U.S. business friendly with low operating costs
>>> (most specifically including low taxes). If you can do that, the economy
>>> makes positive gains and tax revenue increases dramatically. -Dave
>>
>> Faith-based economics. No thanks.
>>
>> Dan
>If you want to stimulate the economy quickly through government
>spending, among the best ways to do it are expanding food stamp
Please!! I am already overworked.
Sue who has job security
Posted by EskWIRED on December 4, 2008, 8:37 am
> Ok, that was a sarcastic exaggeration of course. But what you fail to
> consider is, while we are raising taxes to improve infrastructure, we are
> ALSO giving employers strong incentives to CUT production and/or move
> production out of the country.
Not if the infrastructure improvemets are done wisely, so that they are
worth more than what they cost. It's obvious that we shouldn't waste
money where it will do little good. But you seem to think that congested,
unusable highways and inadequete ports are irrelevant to a business's
decision on where to locate.
--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel
Posted by Dave on December 4, 2008, 9:02 pm
> > Ok, that was a sarcastic exaggeration of course. But what you fail to
> > consider is, while we are raising taxes to improve infrastructure, we
are
> > ALSO giving employers strong incentives to CUT production and/or move
> > production out of the country.
> Not if the infrastructure improvemets are done wisely, so that they are
> worth more than what they cost. It's obvious that we shouldn't waste
> money where it will do little good. But you seem to think that congested,
> unusable highways and inadequete ports are irrelevant to a business's
> decision on where to locate.
And you over-estimate the impact of improving them, as far as employment
goes. -Dave
Posted by EskWIRED on December 4, 2008, 8:43 am
> Considering about half the federal budget goes to the military, do you
> believe the military "produces nothing"?
It depends on how you define nothing. If you think of the military as a
jobs creation program, we'd be just as well off if all those folks spent
their time digging holes and then filling them back in. To take it to a
further extreme, if they bombed American cities, we could employ folks to
rebuild them too.
IOW, the military is a necessary evil. From a purely economic standpoint,
it is pure waste. It produces no economic activity that grows the
economy, because all the production ends up being destroyed in war.
Think of it this way - every time we use a million-dollar "smart bomb", we
could have instead endowed a research position at a university, or built a
school, or immunized kids against disease, or improved our electric grid,
or whatever. We could have spent the money on something that produces
dividends, instead of making a crater.
--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel
> our tax rates are sky-high, and employers (private employers) are leaving
> the country in droves.