Posted by Roy on June 2, 2010, 1:30 pm
> GregS wrote
> >> Fake ID wrote
> >>>> john hamilton wrote
> >>>>> The Miela has this feature which is suppose to expel the air
> >>>>> inside, after the lid is closed. With less air trapped the theory
> >>>>> is that it will not need defrosting as often as normal.
> >>>> You mean there's a partial vacuum inside?
> >>>> Wouldn't that make plastic bags and
> >>>> unopened milk cartons burst?
> >>> Wouldn't the unopened milk cartons burst anyway once the milk froze?
> >> Nope, its only glass containers that burst when the contents freeze.
> > If a vacuum freezer would have a leak, it would suck in more moisture.
> Yes, but its easy to ensure that it doesnt leak.
> I doubt its a vacuum freezer anyway, I bet the sales spiel mangles what it actually does.
==
I'll go along with that conclusion as well.
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Posted by Jim K on June 2, 2010, 2:27 pm
On Jun 2, 7:09 pm, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:
> >Doug Miller wrote
> >>> Fake ID wrote
> >>>>> john hamilton wrote
> >>>>>> The Miela has this feature which is suppose to expel the
> >>>>>> air inside, after the lid is closed. With less air trapped the
> >>>>>> theory is that it will not need defrosting as often as normal.
> >>>>> You mean there's a partial vacuum inside?
> >>>>> Wouldn't that make plastic bags and
> >>>>> unopened milk cartons burst?
> >>>> Wouldn't the unopened milk cartons burst anyway once the milk froze?
> >>> Nope, its only glass containers that burst when the contents freeze.
> >> Wrong.
> >Nope, I do it quite a bit with milk, basically when defrosting the fridge.
> Fill a cardboard milk carton with water, freeze it, and see what happens.
> According to you, it won't burst. But you're wrong.
> Leave a six-pack of beer in your car trunk overnight in the middle of the
> winter. According to you, the cans won't burst. But you're wrong.
who said anything about cardboard milk cartons?
frozen coke cans just pop out the inverted base if yyou freeze them
(over here anyways ;>))
Jim K
Posted by ARWadsworth on June 2, 2010, 2:49 pm
> On Jun 2, 7:09 pm, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:
>> >Doug Miller wrote
>> >>> Fake ID wrote
>> >>>>> john hamilton wrote
>>
>> >>>>>> The Miela has this feature which is suppose to expel the
>> >>>>>> air inside, after the lid is closed. With less air trapped the
>> >>>>>> theory is that it will not need defrosting as often as normal.
>>
>> >>>>> You mean there's a partial vacuum inside?
>> >>>>> Wouldn't that make plastic bags and
>> >>>>> unopened milk cartons burst?
>>
>> >>>> Wouldn't the unopened milk cartons burst anyway once the milk froze?
>>
>> >>> Nope, its only glass containers that burst when the contents freeze.
>>
>> >> Wrong.
>>
>> >Nope, I do it quite a bit with milk, basically when defrosting the
>> >fridge.
>>
>> Fill a cardboard milk carton with water, freeze it, and see what happens.
>> According to you, it won't burst. But you're wrong.
>>
>> Leave a six-pack of beer in your car trunk overnight in the middle of the
>> winter. According to you, the cans won't burst. But you're wrong.
> who said anything about cardboard milk cartons?
> frozen coke cans just pop out the inverted base if yyou freeze them
> (over here anyways ;>))
> Jim K
The coke cans do but I can assure you that cans of Stella pop the ring pulls
if left in a freezer.
Adam
Posted by hr(bob) hofmann@att.net on June 2, 2010, 3:25 pm
> john hamilton wrote:
> > We need to buy a freezer. The *chest* type is what we want with the
> > lid on the top.
> > 'Which' magazine recommends the Miele GT263 and for a hundred pounds
> > less the Zanussi ZFC 321 which comes in at £260.
> > The Miela has this feature which is suppose to expel the air inside,
> > after the lid is closed.
> They actually say it expels the FROST inside, not the air.
> > With less air trapped the theory is that it
> > will not need defrosting as often as normal.
> > Knowing that its just not easy to get an airtight seal, the suspicion
> > is that it might draw the air out but; it will creep back in again
> > anyway.
> > Would anyone with experience of the Miele freezer know if its worth
> > paying the extra £100 for this 'de-frost' feature. In other words
> > does it work as a means of cutting out defrosting? Thanks for any
> > advice.- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
That still doesn't make sense. how do they expel the frost, scrape it
off and then toss it out somehowwww??? They might mean a self-
defrosting freezer, that would make some sense at least.
Posted by Rod Speed on June 2, 2010, 4:32 pm
hr(bob) hofmann@att.net wrote
>> john hamilton wrote
>>> We need to buy a freezer. The *chest* type is what we want with the lid on
the top.
>>> 'Which' magazine recommends the Miele GT263 and for a
>>> hundred pounds less the Zanussi ZFC 321 which comes in at £260.
>>> The Miela has this feature which is suppose to expel the air inside, after
the lid is closed.
>> They actually say it expels the FROST inside, not the air.
>>> With less air trapped the theory is that it
>>> will not need defrosting as often as normal.
>>> Knowing that its just not easy to get an airtight seal, the suspicion
>>> is that it might draw the air out but; it will creep back in again anyway.
>>> Would anyone with experience of the Miele freezer know if its worth
>>> paying the extra £100 for this 'de-frost' feature. In other words does
>>> it work as a means of cutting out defrosting? Thanks for any advice.
> That still doesn't make sense.
It does actually, tho its been dumbed down like with so many sales speils.
> how do they expel the frost, scrape it off and then toss it out somehowwww???
Just replace the new air that has just entered when the lid was opened
with dry air that has been passed over the chiller coils so the frost
doesnt form inside the freezer where it gets deposited on the food etc.
Thats how the frost free system works.
> They might mean a self-defrosting freezer, that would make some sense at least.
They arent self defrosting, they just ensure that the frost never forms inside
the freezer,
the air deposits the mosture outside the freezer before it gets into the freezer.
Thats how any frost free system works.
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> >> Fake ID wrote
> >>>> john hamilton wrote
> >>>>> The Miela has this feature which is suppose to expel the air
> >>>>> inside, after the lid is closed. With less air trapped the theory
> >>>>> is that it will not need defrosting as often as normal.
> >>>> You mean there's a partial vacuum inside?
> >>>> Wouldn't that make plastic bags and
> >>>> unopened milk cartons burst?
> >>> Wouldn't the unopened milk cartons burst anyway once the milk froze?
> >> Nope, its only glass containers that burst when the contents freeze.
> > If a vacuum freezer would have a leak, it would suck in more moisture.
> Yes, but its easy to ensure that it doesnt leak.
> I doubt its a vacuum freezer anyway, I bet the sales spiel mangles what it actually does.
==