Posted by John Smith on April 23, 2006, 3:21 pm
> JoshIII writes:
> Personally, I will be buying, burning, and investing in more
> ethanol in the future.
> I wish more, if not all, cars could run on E85, and that would
> put a stop to Big Oil Company / OPEC price gouging.
Yes because those tractors used to farm the grain used for ethanol run on
air as do the trucks that carry them to market, as do the power plants that
supply the ethanol processing plants with energy, as does the creation of
fertilizer. Oh that's right, they don't, they use fossil fuels. Oh that's
right they consume more energy in fossil fuels than is produced by the
ethanol fuel. Oh right it's also covered by grotesque subsidies. Oh well, I
guess Big Oil Company / OPEC will be price gouging us in the future.
Posted by Rod Speed on April 23, 2006, 4:15 pm
>> JoshIII writes:
>> Personally, I will be buying, burning, and investing in more
>> ethanol in the future.
>>
>> I wish more, if not all, cars could run on E85, and that would
>> put a stop to Big Oil Company / OPEC price gouging.
> Yes because those tractors used to farm the grain used for ethanol
> run on air as do the trucks that carry them to market, as do the
> power plants that supply the ethanol processing plants with energy,
> as does the creation of fertilizer. Oh that's right, they don't, they
> use fossil fuels. Oh that's right they consume more energy in fossil
> fuels than is produced by the ethanol fuel.
No they dont when sugar cane is used for the alcohol.
> Oh right it's also covered by grotesque subsidies.
Have fun explaining Brazil.
> Oh well, I guess Big Oil Company / OPEC will be price gouging us in the
> future.
Guess again.
Posted by JoshIII on April 23, 2006, 9:23 pm
> Yes because those tractors used to farm the grain used for ethanol run on
> air as do the trucks that carry them to market, as do the power plants
that
> supply the ethanol processing plants with energy, as does the creation of
> fertilizer. Oh that's right, they don't, they use fossil fuels. Oh that's
> right they consume more energy in fossil fuels than is produced by the
> ethanol fuel. Oh right it's also covered by grotesque subsidies. Oh well,
I
> guess Big Oil Company / OPEC will be price gouging us in the future.
JoshIII wonders:
So let me get this straight. Are you saying it cost more to make
a gallon of ethanol than the current price per gallon of ethanol
(which is slightly less than regular unleaded at the pump)?
That doesn't make much business sense!
I love debating guys that "know all the answers"!
You can never change their mind, but it doesn't matter,
no one is going to remember who they were when
reality sets in and future comes to past. Only one guy
will get it right, and that's the guy the gets it right
by chance alone. No one is going to remember
him either, because all his other predictions, except one,
are wrong.
I sometimes get the feeling I am the bad guy and the
hated one in this debate, and Big Oil / OPEC
are the good guys.
I'm not saying ethanol is the *only* answer. Its one of
the good answers or good alternatives to oil, of which
I am hoping there will be several in the future.
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Posted by Furious George on April 23, 2006, 9:35 pm
JoshIII wrote:
> >
> > Yes because those tractors used to farm the grain used for ethanol run on
> > air as do the trucks that carry them to market, as do the power plants
> that
> > supply the ethanol processing plants with energy, as does the creation of
> > fertilizer. Oh that's right, they don't, they use fossil fuels. Oh that's
> > right they consume more energy in fossil fuels than is produced by the
> > ethanol fuel. Oh right it's also covered by grotesque subsidies. Oh well,
> I
> > guess Big Oil Company / OPEC will be price gouging us in the future.
> >
> >
> JoshIII wonders:
> So let me get this straight. Are you saying it cost more to make
> a gallon of ethanol than the current price per gallon of ethanol
> (which is slightly less than regular unleaded at the pump)?
Using current production techniques it costs more to make and
distributed a gallon of ethanol than the current market price.
> That doesn't make much business sense!
You are correct. The current agricultural subsidy system does not make
much business sense.
> I love debating guys that "know all the answers"!
> You can never change their mind, but it doesn't matter,
> no one is going to remember who they were when
> reality sets in and future comes to past. Only one guy
> will get it right, and that's the guy the gets it right
> by chance alone. No one is going to remember
> him either, because all his other predictions, except one,
> are wrong.
> I sometimes get the feeling I am the bad guy and the
> hated one in this debate, and Big Oil / OPEC
> are the good guys.
> I'm not saying ethanol is the *only* answer. Its one of
> the good answers or good alternatives to oil, of which
> I am hoping there will be several in the future.
> JoshIII, 23APR06, < josh3i at hotmail . com >
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> you activate, and you will both receive 100 free minutes!
> TracFone beats the coverage of any "in-network" plan.
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>
> .
>
>
>
>
>
> .
Posted by Rod Speed on April 23, 2006, 10:02 pm
> JoshIII wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes because those tractors used to farm the grain used for ethanol
>>> run on air as do the trucks that carry them to market, as do the
>>> power plants that supply the ethanol processing plants with energy,
>>> as does the creation of fertilizer. Oh that's right, they don't,
>>> they use fossil fuels. Oh that's right they consume more energy in
>>> fossil fuels than is produced by the ethanol fuel. Oh right it's
>>> also covered by grotesque subsidies. Oh well, I guess Big Oil
>>> Company / OPEC will be price gouging us in the future.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> JoshIII wonders:
>> So let me get this straight. Are you saying it cost more to make
>> a gallon of ethanol than the current price per gallon of ethanol
>> (which is slightly less than regular unleaded at the pump)?
> Using current production techniques it costs more to make and
> distributed a gallon of ethanol than the current market price.
Not in Brazil it doesnt.
>> That doesn't make much business sense!
> You are correct. The current agricultural subsidy
> system does not make much business sense.
There is no ag subsidy thats relevant in Brazil.
>> I love debating guys that "know all the answers"!
>>
>> You can never change their mind, but it doesn't matter,
>> no one is going to remember who they were when
>> reality sets in and future comes to past. Only one guy
>> will get it right, and that's the guy the gets it right
>> by chance alone. No one is going to remember
>> him either, because all his other predictions, except one,
>> are wrong.
>>
>> I sometimes get the feeling I am the bad guy and the
>> hated one in this debate, and Big Oil / OPEC
>> are the good guys.
>>
>> I'm not saying ethanol is the *only* answer. Its one of
>> the good answers or good alternatives to oil, of which
>> I am hoping there will be several in the future.
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> Personally, I will be buying, burning, and investing in more
> ethanol in the future.
> I wish more, if not all, cars could run on E85, and that would
> put a stop to Big Oil Company / OPEC price gouging.