Posted by _Pnina Gersten_ on August 25, 2007, 11:21 am
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:16:07 -0400, Nate Nagel wrote:
>> So, my question is how many miles do we/you REALLY get for every 100 points
>> in a UTQG rating? In real life. Really.
>
> I'd put more stock in the treadwear warranty of the tire than in the
> UTQG rating.
Hi Nate Nagel,
Being scientifically inclined, I prefer measurements to marketing.
IMHO, the tire manufacturer's "warranty" is a blatant marketing gimmick.
I'm always amazed at some of my friends who would rather quote a warranty
rather than a test result. IMHO, the "warranty" gibberish has absolutely no
bearing on anything other than pure marketing needs. Sure, you'll say they
don't warrant what they can't justify and I'll respond with sure, they need
to make money, but, how many times have YOU actually redeemed a
battery/brakepad/tire warranty in real life? I never do because
a) The warranty is prorated
b) You have to buy THEIR tire again from THEIR distributor and stock
c) You have to pay THEIR (inflated) price at that time
d) The warranty is prorated but you often end up paying MORE for the second
tire (due to conditions above) than the first tire! Ha. Warranty.
It's not you per se that makes me write this as I've taught many a friend
about testing standards - but anyone who quotes a marketing tool as science
has to get this lecture from me.
Having said that, does anyone of the millions of drivers out there actually
compare their mileage received with the government UTQG test results?
Posted by ray on August 27, 2007, 3:34 am
_Pnina Gersten_ wrote:
>
> Having said that, does anyone of the millions of drivers out there actually
> compare their mileage received with the government UTQG test results?
I don't. Why? There's more to a tire than just it's expected mileage
per set. I care more about traction (dry and snow) than whether the
tire makes it 50,000 miles or 500,000 miles. I've found tires have a
useful lifespan of <10 years, and I usually do about a max of 10,000
miles per year per car because I own multiple cars and thus the
sidewalls start to weathercrack or I don't even own the car anymore
instead of going through multiple sets of tires.
FWIW, my buddy way back when was doing lots of driving for work and his
Goodyear Inifitreads must have done 80-90k miles and still weren't worn
out, but that was all easy highway driving.
Ray
Posted by z on August 27, 2007, 2:11 pm
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:16:07 -0400, Nate Nagel wrote:
> >> So, my question is how many miles do we/you REALLY get for every 100 points
> >> in a UTQG rating? In real life. Really.
> > I'd put more stock in the treadwear warranty of the tire than in the
> > UTQG rating.
> Hi Nate Nagel,
> Being scientifically inclined, I prefer measurements to marketing.
> IMHO, the tire manufacturer's "warranty" is a blatant marketing gimmick.
> I'm always amazed at some of my friends who would rather quote a warranty
> rather than a test result. IMHO, the "warranty" gibberish has absolutely no
> bearing on anything other than pure marketing needs. Sure, you'll say they
> don't warrant what they can't justify and I'll respond with sure, they need
> to make money, but, how many times have YOU actually redeemed a
> battery/brakepad/tire warranty in real life? I never do because
> a) The warranty is prorated
> b) You have to buy THEIR tire again from THEIR distributor and stock
> c) You have to pay THEIR (inflated) price at that time
> d) The warranty is prorated but you often end up paying MORE for the second
> tire (due to conditions above) than the first tire! Ha. Warranty.
> It's not you per se that makes me write this as I've taught many a friend
> about testing standards - but anyone who quotes a marketing tool as science
> has to get this lecture from me.
> Having said that, does anyone of the millions of drivers out there actually
> compare their mileage received with the government UTQG test results?
I found this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treadwear_rating to be eye
opening and depressing.
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>> in a UTQG rating? In real life. Really.
>
> I'd put more stock in the treadwear warranty of the tire than in the
> UTQG rating.