Posted by Pat Cheney on December 27, 2008, 1:50 am
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:37:07 -0500, tony cooper wrote:
> If it is a lie ... then all manufacturers and all review sites lie.
> No one specifies the camera-end fitting type or size.
The better camera reviewers DO mention the camera-end fitting type!
Look here:
http://reviews.digitaltrends.com/review/4701-3/casio-exilim-ex-z77-review-full-review
Here's a direct quote from that Casio Exilim EX-Z77 camera review:
"Sadly, Casio felt it necessary to equip the Exilim EX-Z77 with a
proprietary mini-USB jack, forcing users to keep yet another USB cable at
hand. With so many other camera manufacturers using standard mini-USB
ports, it's a wonder Casio doesn't make it easier on consumers by hopping
on the universal mini-USB bandwagon."
Posted by John Navas on December 27, 2008, 2:02 am
>On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:37:07 -0500, tony cooper wrote:
>> If it is a lie ... then all manufacturers and all review sites lie.
>> No one specifies the camera-end fitting type or size.
>The better camera reviewers DO mention the camera-end fitting type!
>Look here:
>http://reviews.digitaltrends.com/review/4701-3/casio-exilim-ex-z77-review-full-review
>Here's a direct quote from that Casio Exilim EX-Z77 camera review:
>"Sadly, Casio felt it necessary to equip the Exilim EX-Z77 with a
>proprietary mini-USB jack, forcing users to keep yet another USB cable at
>hand. With so many other camera manufacturers using standard mini-USB
>ports, it's a wonder Casio doesn't make it easier on consumers by hopping
>on the universal mini-USB bandwagon."
Unfortunately, that misses the point of having a dual connector. Had
Casio used standard Mini-USB, then it would have had to make room and
cost for another connector for A/V.
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John
Posted by Pat Cheney on December 27, 2008, 2:29 am
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:02:49 -0800, John Navas wrote:
> Unfortunately, that misses the point of having a dual connector. Had
> Casio used standard Mini-USB, then it would have had to make room and
> cost for another connector for A/V.
Hi John,
Yes. This is well known to you that a dual-purpose camera port can't
possibly use the mini-USB connector ... even if the Camera manufacturer
says it's a USB port ... but I would guess it is not well known to the rest
of us.
Now that we know a dual port can't possibly be mini-USB or micro-USB even
though it says it's USB, we can now steer clear of any camera that uses a
single port for AV and USB purposes.
That's the secret decoder ring we needed!
In my particular case, I have never used the supplied AV cable with any
camera (I have a stack of them in a box somewhere), including the days when
the kids were young and I used the old-style tape-based video cameras.
So, I learned from you John, for which I thank you.
For me, if it says it handles both AV and USB in the same port, I don't
want that camera!
Had we only known before we bought the camera (sorry, I still fault the
reviewers for not making what is obvious to you clear to us).
Thank you John,
Pat
Posted by John Navas on December 27, 2008, 2:38 am
>On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:02:49 -0800, John Navas wrote:
>> Unfortunately, that misses the point of having a dual connector. Had
>> Casio used standard Mini-USB, then it would have had to make room and
>> cost for another connector for A/V.
>Hi John,
>Yes. This is well known to you that a dual-purpose camera port can't
>possibly use the mini-USB connector ... even if the Camera manufacturer
>says it's a USB port ... but I would guess it is not well known to the rest
>of us.
It is well-known, and what Casio said is correct.
>Now that we know a dual port can't possibly be mini-USB or micro-USB even
>though it says it's USB, we can now steer clear of any camera that uses a
>single port for AV and USB purposes.
That makes no sense to me.
>That's the secret decoder ring we needed!
It's not a secret, no matter what you think.
>In my particular case, I have never used the supplied AV cable with any
>camera (I have a stack of them in a box somewhere), including the days when
>the kids were young and I used the old-style tape-based video cameras.
Part of why you're uninformed and mistaken.
>So, I learned from you John, for which I thank you.
You're welcome.
>For me, if it says it handles both AV and USB in the same port, I don't
>want that camera!
Suit yourself, but I think that's a poor primary criterion.
>Had we only known before we bought the camera (sorry, I still fault the
>reviewers for not making what is obvious to you clear to us).
You do yourself no credit by being unwilling to take responsibility for
your own mistaken assumption that you could and should have easily
checked before purchase, but failed to do so. I'm shaking my head.
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Very best wishes for the holiday season and for the coming new year,
John
Posted by Marco Tedaldi on December 27, 2008, 12:29 pm
John Navas schrieb:
>> Yes. This is well known to you that a dual-purpose camera port can't
>> possibly use the mini-USB connector ... even if the Camera manufacturer
>> says it's a USB port ... but I would guess it is not well known to the rest
>> of us.
>
> It is well-known, and what Casio said is correct.
>
Even it it is well know it is not really true. But I'm sure you've read
my replies by now :-)
It IS possible to make dual use of the signal lines of an standard usb
connector. It just needs some additional circuitry. And this costs some
money. A special connector on the other hand does not seem to cos much
more than a standard connector (if used in big enough quantities).
[rest snipped away since it's based on a not necessary true assumption]
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> No one specifies the camera-end fitting type or size.