Posted by Cindy Hamilton on July 16, 2010, 1:39 pm
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> Most r.c.'s seem to switch to WARM after the rice gets cooked.
> >> I need one which shuts off.
> >> Any suggestions?
> > Rice is pH-neutral and is among the more dangerous
> > foods to hold between 40 and 140 F. You probably
> > won't find one that shuts off.
> Never thought of that, what are safe temperatures to keep at? Can you
> keep rice refrigerated?
The general rule for any food is to keep it between 40 and 140 for no
more than an hour or two.
In the refrigerator, bacterial growth is slowed but not stopped.
Other
factors can inhibit bacterial growth (like acidity). Rice, however,
is a nearly perfect culture medium for bacteria.
I got the following from http://www.ochef.com/971.htm , but I think
it's too lenient about the time you can keep rice in the fridge.
There is a form of bacteria (bacillus cereus) that occurs naturally in
many samples of uncooked rice. It can survive the cooking process and
multiply to harmful levels if the rice is allowed to cool for an
extended period without refrigeration. Leftover cooked rice should be
placed in a shallow container to allow it to cool quickly, and stored
in the refrigerator for up to a week or in the freezer for half a year
or more.
Most other sites recommend 3 days for any leftovers. I violate
that often, but not with rice.
Cindy Hamilton
Posted by 234 on July 16, 2010, 3:00 pm
Jeff Thies wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> Most r.c.'s seem to switch to WARM after the rice gets cooked.
>>>
>>> I need one which shuts off.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Rice is pH-neutral and is among the more dangerous
>> foods to hold between 40 and 140 F. You probably
>> won't find one that shuts off.
> Never thought of that, what are safe temperatures to keep at?
Its likely that is radically overstated. The Jap army didnt bother
with crap like that during WW2 and it didnt cause any problems.
> Can you keep rice refrigerated?
Yep, works fine.
> I ask that because I have been thinking of eating more rice and the cookers
all make more rice than I would eat at a
> meal.
Fridge is fine. It actually produces a better result with fried rice etc.
> For the OP. These devices are dead simple. You can take them apart easily and
disconnect the warming. There ain't much
> in there.
> Jeff
> Who at one time or another has been inside almost every appliance.
>>
>> Why do you want this feature?
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
Posted by Cindy Hamilton on July 16, 2010, 3:33 pm
> Jeff Thies wrote:
> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> Most r.c.'s seem to switch to WARM after the rice gets cooked.
> >>> I need one which shuts off.
> >>> Any suggestions?
> >> Rice is pH-neutral and is among the more dangerous
> >> foods to hold between 40 and 140 F. You probably
> >> won't find one that shuts off.
> > Never thought of that, what are safe temperatures to keep at?
> Its likely that is radically overstated. The Jap army didnt bother
> with crap like that during WW2 and it didnt cause any problems.
Were you in the Japanese army during WW2? Do you know what
the rates of food-borne illness were? Do you have any evidence
that the health and well-being of the soldiers were important to
the Japanese command structure?
Well, let's see. The choice seems to be to take simple, prudent
action to prevent food-borne illness, or to take risks that may
result in painful and possibly lethal results.
Seems a simple decision to me.
Cindy Hamilton
Posted by 234 on July 17, 2010, 2:52 am
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> Jeff Thies wrote:
>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> Most r.c.'s seem to switch to WARM after the rice gets cooked.
>>
>>>>> I need one which shuts off.
>>
>>>>> Any suggestions?
>>
>>>> Rice is pH-neutral and is among the more dangerous
>>>> foods to hold between 40 and 140 F. You probably
>>>> won't find one that shuts off.
>>> Never thought of that, what are safe temperatures to keep at?
>>
>> Its likely that is radically overstated. The Jap army didnt bother
>> with crap like that during WW2 and it didnt cause any problems.
> Were you in the Japanese army during WW2?
Don't need to have been to realise that the Japanese never bothered with
that crap much and didn't get any bad result from that when they didn't.
> Do you know what the rates of food-borne illness were?
Yes. Insignificant.
> Do you have any evidence that the health and well-being of the
> soldiers were important to the Japanese command structure?
Doesn't matter whether it was or not, they did fine anyway.
They still do with their use of rice that has been prepared well before its
eaten cold etc.
> Well, let's see. The choice seems to be to take simple,
> prudent action to prevent food-borne illness, or to take
> risks that may result in painful and possibly lethal results.
Or realise that the japanese army did fine without bothering
about crap like that and that that proves its radically overstated.
> Seems a simple decision to me.
Seems like mindless superficiality to me.
Posted by 234 on July 17, 2010, 2:21 pm
Derald wrote:
>> Its likely that is radically overstated. The Jap army didnt bother
>> with crap like that during WW2 and it didnt cause any problems.
> Thanks for that. It's amazing that prior generations managed to
> thrive in their ignorance, isn't it? Now, elsewhere in the thread some
> turd-dumb respondent declares grain to be "poison" despite the
> continued existence of billions of Asians who subsist on "poison"
> rice and have done so for centuries.
Yes. Amazing how some can't manage to comprehend simple stuff like that.
> What a waste this newsgroup has become.
Its always had a few like that.
> >> Most r.c.'s seem to switch to WARM after the rice gets cooked.
> >> I need one which shuts off.
> >> Any suggestions?
> > Rice is pH-neutral and is among the more dangerous
> > foods to hold between 40 and 140 F. You probably
> > won't find one that shuts off.
> Never thought of that, what are safe temperatures to keep at? Can you
> keep rice refrigerated?