Posted by Cindy Hamilton on August 13, 2010, 1:14 pm
> wrote:
> >More and more people are asking for your social security number when
> >you fill out a job application. I always decline and write "upon hire"
> >instead.
> >I remember in the 80's and early 90's that the SSN was only given
> >after you were hired to prove that you could work in the USA (of
> >course other forms of ID could be used instead). I believe it's
> >illegal to ask for the SSN on a job application - what use is it? A
> >job application is not a credit check, which supposedly safeguards
> >sensitive info such as SSNs. A job application is just a sheet of
> >paper anyone can get their hands on. I don't trust giving out my SSN
> >to just anyone for no reason.
> >Of course all the jobs where I declined to give my SSN I was not hired
> >for. Could be a coincidence, or not.
> No, its not coincedence at all.
> The USA has been forming into a neo-fascist police state since before
> 9/11. I was asked to show the management my SS card to add on an
> application to rent an apartment a while back.
That does not make the USA a police state. That was a purely
private transaction. You are free to rent from someone who does not
need your social security card.
> They also wanted my drivers license wanted to copy the documents on
> the spot along with my personal check so they could have my bank
> account number too. Needless to say I declined to give them that
> information.
Which proves that there is still quite a lot of freedom here.
> There is little privacy to be had in the US anymore, sadly enough.
> Its next to impossible to do anything without all manner of checks.
> Some companies are taking hair samples to drug test before hiring. It
> wont be long till they want DNA samples just like in the sci-fi movie,
> "Gattica" and that was made before 9/11 and the Bush regime.
Which also has nothing to do wiht the government. You can blame
the private sector for all of this.
Posted by rvanson on August 23, 2010, 5:19 pm
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:14:19 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> wrote:
>>
>> >More and more people are asking for your social security number when
>> >you fill out a job application. I always decline and write "upon hire"
>> >instead.
>>
>> >I remember in the 80's and early 90's that the SSN was only given
>> >after you were hired to prove that you could work in the USA (of
>> >course other forms of ID could be used instead). I believe it's
>> >illegal to ask for the SSN on a job application - what use is it? A
>> >job application is not a credit check, which supposedly safeguards
>> >sensitive info such as SSNs. A job application is just a sheet of
>> >paper anyone can get their hands on. I don't trust giving out my SSN
>> >to just anyone for no reason.
>>
>> >Of course all the jobs where I declined to give my SSN I was not hired
>> >for. Could be a coincidence, or not.
>>
>> No, its not coincedence at all.
>>
>> The USA has been forming into a neo-fascist police state since before
>> 9/11. I was asked to show the management my SS card to add on an
>> application to rent an apartment a while back.
>That does not make the USA a police state. That was a purely
>private transaction. You are free to rent from someone who does not
>need your social security card.
Those places are becoming fewer in number each day.
>> They also wanted my drivers license wanted to copy the documents on
>> the spot along with my personal check so they could have my bank
>> account number too. Needless to say I declined to give them that
>> information.
>Which proves that there is still quite a lot of freedom here.
What freedom? I didn't complete the transaction did I?
>> There is little privacy to be had in the US anymore, sadly enough.
>>
>> Its next to impossible to do anything without all manner of checks.
>> Some companies are taking hair samples to drug test before hiring. It
>> wont be long till they want DNA samples just like in the sci-fi movie,
>> "Gattica" and that was made before 9/11 and the Bush regime.
>Which also has nothing to do wiht the government. You can blame
>the private sector for all of this.
The private sector and the public sector are joined at the hip.
Private businesses must comply with ever increasing state and federal
laws or be fined, closed down, imprisoned.
Perhaps the word Fascism is more suiting to you then the word Police
State?
Posted by Cindy Hamilton on August 24, 2010, 1:19 pm
> On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:14:19 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> >> wrote:
> >> >More and more people are asking for your social security number when
> >> >you fill out a job application. I always decline and write "upon hire"
> >> >instead.
> >> >I remember in the 80's and early 90's that the SSN was only given
> >> >after you were hired to prove that you could work in the USA (of
> >> >course other forms of ID could be used instead). I believe it's
> >> >illegal to ask for the SSN on a job application - what use is it? A
> >> >job application is not a credit check, which supposedly safeguards
> >> >sensitive info such as SSNs. A job application is just a sheet of
> >> >paper anyone can get their hands on. I don't trust giving out my SSN
> >> >to just anyone for no reason.
> >> >Of course all the jobs where I declined to give my SSN I was not hired
> >> >for. Could be a coincidence, or not.
> >> No, its not coincedence at all.
> >> The USA has been forming into a neo-fascist police state since before
> >> 9/11. I was asked to show the management my SS card to add on an
> >> application to rent an apartment a while back.
> >That does not make the USA a police state. That was a purely
> >private transaction. You are free to rent from someone who does not
> >need your social security card.
> Those places are becoming fewer in number each day.
> >> They also wanted my drivers license wanted to copy the documents on
> >> the spot along with my personal check so they could have my bank
> >> account number too. Needless to say I declined to give them that
> >> information.
> >Which proves that there is still quite a lot of freedom here.
> What freedom? I didn't complete the transaction did I?
And you had the freedom to not complete the transaction.
> >> There is little privacy to be had in the US anymore, sadly enough.
> >> Its next to impossible to do anything without all manner of checks.
> >> Some companies are taking hair samples to drug test before hiring. It
> >> wont be long till they want DNA samples just like in the sci-fi movie,
> >> "Gattica" and that was made before 9/11 and the Bush regime.
> >Which also has nothing to do wiht the government. You can blame
> >the private sector for all of this.
> The private sector and the public sector are joined at the hip.
What is your evidence for this?
> Private businesses must comply with ever increasing state and federal
> laws or be fined, closed down, imprisoned.
Which laws in particular concern you? I can't imagine
you're opposed to health inspections for restaurants.
> Perhaps the word Fascism is more suiting to you then the word Police
> State?
I think you should get a breath of fresh air and realize that the
government really can't find its butt with both hands and a
flashlight.
Cindy Hamilton
Posted by tmclone on August 23, 2010, 5:47 pm
> More and more people are asking for your social security number when
> you fill out a job application. I always decline and write "upon hire"
> instead.
> I remember in the 80's and early 90's that the SSN was only given
> after you were hired to prove that you could work in the USA (of
> course other forms of ID could be used instead). I believe it's
> illegal to ask for the SSN on a job application - what use is it? A
> job application is not a credit check, which supposedly safeguards
> sensitive info such as SSNs. A job application is just a sheet of
> paper anyone can get their hands on. I don't trust giving out my SSN
> to just anyone for no reason.
> Of course all the jobs where I declined to give my SSN I was not hired
> for. Could be a coincidence, or not.
Posted by tmclone on August 23, 2010, 5:51 pm
> Of course all the jobs where I declined to give my SSN I was not hired
> for. Could be a coincidence, or not.
Well, duh. My DH is a computer-nerd contractor, and his
"pimp" (consulting agency) provides his SSN EVERY SIN GLE time his
resume is submitted to ANYONE If you refuse to supply that, you will
NEVER, EVER get hired ANYWHERE. Wake up and smell the new century,
dude. Seriously.
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> >More and more people are asking for your social security number when
> >you fill out a job application. I always decline and write "upon hire"
> >instead.
> >I remember in the 80's and early 90's that the SSN was only given
> >after you were hired to prove that you could work in the USA (of
> >course other forms of ID could be used instead). I believe it's
> >illegal to ask for the SSN on a job application - what use is it? A
> >job application is not a credit check, which supposedly safeguards
> >sensitive info such as SSNs. A job application is just a sheet of
> >paper anyone can get their hands on. I don't trust giving out my SSN
> >to just anyone for no reason.
> >Of course all the jobs where I declined to give my SSN I was not hired
> >for. Could be a coincidence, or not.
> No, its not coincedence at all.
> The USA has been forming into a neo-fascist police state since before
> 9/11. I was asked to show the management my SS card to add on an
> application to rent an apartment a while back.