Posted by Vic Smith on January 10, 2009, 1:42 pm
Just did a yearly T-Mobile refill.
Noticed my $10.00 refill cost $11.01, which reflects the local sales
tax rate. Cook County, IL.
The refills weren't taxed a couple years ago.
Seems some web purchases add the tax, others don't.
Anybody know what's going on with this?
Wonder how it will affect web sales.
--Vic
Posted by Dave Garland on January 10, 2009, 2:23 pm
Vic Smith wrote:
> Just did a yearly T-Mobile refill.
> Noticed my $10.00 refill cost $11.01, which reflects the local sales
> tax rate. Cook County, IL.
> The refills weren't taxed a couple years ago.
> Seems some web purchases add the tax, others don't.
> Anybody know what's going on with this?
> Wonder how it will affect web sales.
The flip answer, of course, is that Blago wants his share ;->
In general, in the US, you're supposed to pay state sales ('and use')
tax even on things purchased from another jurisdiction. For the most
part, businesses that have any office/store/etc. in your state must
charge tax, even if you buy online. Otherwise, you're supposed to
report it when you do your state income tax. Though I suspect that
outside of big-ticket items and things like automobiles that require
government registration, compliance is less than 100% :) Perhaps very
much less.
<TINFOIL HAT>It wouldn't surprise me if the "fatherland security"
excuse to make banks and financial institutions share data with the
government didn't lead to states finding out more about your purchases
and demanding their cut.</TINFOIL HAT> Nah, governments would never
do anything like that.
http://www.callingmart.com/ doesn't charge tax (I assume that their
physical location is somewhere there isn't a sales tax, or else they
eat the tax). And the $10 T-Mobile refill I bought from them a few
days ago cost $9.30.
Dave
Posted by Vic Smith on January 10, 2009, 2:39 pm
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:23:16 -0600, Dave Garland
>Vic Smith wrote:
>> Just did a yearly T-Mobile refill.
>> Noticed my $10.00 refill cost $11.01, which reflects the local sales
>> tax rate. Cook County, IL.
>> The refills weren't taxed a couple years ago.
>> Seems some web purchases add the tax, others don't.
>> Anybody know what's going on with this?
>> Wonder how it will affect web sales.
>The flip answer, of course, is that Blago wants his share ;->
>In general, in the US, you're supposed to pay state sales ('and use')
>tax even on things purchased from another jurisdiction. For the most
>part, businesses that have any office/store/etc. in your state must
>charge tax, even if you buy online. Otherwise, you're supposed to
>report it when you do your state income tax. Though I suspect that
>outside of big-ticket items and things like automobiles that require
>government registration, compliance is less than 100% :) Perhaps very
>much less.
><TINFOIL HAT>It wouldn't surprise me if the "fatherland security"
>excuse to make banks and financial institutions share data with the
>government didn't lead to states finding out more about your purchases
>and demanding their cut.</TINFOIL HAT> Nah, governments would never
>do anything like that.
>http://www.callingmart.com/ doesn't charge tax (I assume that their
>physical location is somewhere there isn't a sales tax, or else they
>eat the tax). And the $10 T-Mobile refill I bought from them a few
>days ago cost $9.30.
Thanks for all that info.
Do T-Mobile refill minutes bought on this site have the same 365 day
expiration (Gold Rewards) as on the T-Mobile site?
Seems weird that T-Mobile would sell refills to a reseller.
To what advantage for them?
Are these minutes easily added to your T-Mobile account?
--Vic
Posted by Dave Garland on January 10, 2009, 4:42 pm
Vic Smith wrote:
> Do T-Mobile refill minutes bought on this site have the same 365 day
> expiration (Gold Rewards) as on the T-Mobile site?
They are the same as time purchased from T-Mobile or another retailer.
> Seems weird that T-Mobile would sell refills to a reseller.
They also sell T-Mobile refill cards at K-Mart and Target (and
probably other places that sell phones). Target sometimes has them on
sale, but you'll have to pay the local tax if you buy there.
> To what advantage for them?
Probably to make it easy for you to use (and buy) more time. I rather
suspect that most people buy much much more than $10/year. Some
people need (or choose) to buy for cash, as they may not have a credit
card, or don't want to leave a paper trail. Some don't have Internet
access (and prudently choose not to enter a cc number via a possibly
insecure computer in a library or other public place).
And I imagine that even at a substantial discount, the profit margin
is huge, once T-Mobile has recouped their subsidy on the phone itself.
> Are these minutes easily added to your T-Mobile account?
Yes, just dial the appropriate number (I don't remember what it is,
star-something, but they'll tell you in the email that provides the
PIN number), and enter the PIN number.
Dave
Posted by Vic Smith on January 10, 2009, 7:37 pm
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:53:15 -0800, The Real Bev
>Vic Smith wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:23:16 -0600, Dave Garland
>>
>>>http://www.callingmart.com/ doesn't charge tax (I assume that their
>>>physical location is somewhere there isn't a sales tax, or else they
>>>eat the tax). And the $10 T-Mobile refill I bought from them a few
>>>days ago cost $9.30.
>>>
>> Thanks for all that info.
>> Do T-Mobile refill minutes bought on this site have the same 365 day
>> expiration (Gold Rewards) as on the T-Mobile site?
>Once you've paid your $100 everything is good for a year from your last refill.
> And you get 15% extra minutes, too.
>> Seems weird that T-Mobile would sell refills to a reseller.
>> To what advantage for them?
>> Are these minutes easily added to your T-Mobile account?
>I buy a $10 card once a year at Target because I get Target gift certificates
>for clicking on ads. I can't remember if they charge sales tax on it or not. A
>refill card is a refill card, it doesn't matter where you bought it. You don't
>even have to buy a refill card, you can just add minutes with a phone call and
a
>credit card.
>This probably explains why so few people give significant discounts.
The discounting is what surprised me. Good to know if you use a lot
of T-Mobile prepaid minutes. Until Dave pointed out otherwise, my
mindset was that T-Mobile prepaid was mostly used by those who
didn't use many minutes.
When I did the $10 refill to keep my unused minutes my prior year's
use was.....10 minutes.
--Vic
> Noticed my $10.00 refill cost $11.01, which reflects the local sales
> tax rate. Cook County, IL.
> The refills weren't taxed a couple years ago.
> Seems some web purchases add the tax, others don't.
> Anybody know what's going on with this?
> Wonder how it will affect web sales.