Posted by The Real Bev on December 21, 2008, 11:55 pm
Rick V wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote...
>
>> Along with untold thousands of begging letters
>> from the charities the first one sold your name
>> to. When the "forward" on my mom's mail
>> expired, the post office kindly told all the
>> charities the address to which her mail had
>> been forwarded, so now I receive all the
>> begging letters for her at MY address.
>
> When the forward on ALL your mom's mail expired, your address was
> included on ALL of the return mail and not just the mail from charities.
>
> If you did not want ALL of your mom's mail, you need not submit a change
> of address but you choose to do so.
You misunderstand.
Forwarded was fine. Letters were sent to her at her address and the
post office applied 'forward to' yellow stickers with MY address. But
after the forwarding expired the letters started coming directly to her
name at my address. Neither of us ever gave anybody that combination,
so it must have been the post office. Makes sense that they'd do it --
it keeps the postage flowing.
> You could have personally contacted the senders whose mail you did want
> forwarded but it is much easier to criticize than to do the actual work.
I wrote DECEASED on the ones that appeared to be first class so that
they would be returned to the sender who ought to take the next step.
Apparently it's cheaper to just keep sending the letters than fix the
mailing list, although they had to make some changes when the post
office gave (or sold) them the new address.
That's as much trouble as I'm willing to go to. If they want to spend
other people's money sending me crap, that's their problem. Theory has
it that bulk mail is GOOD because it supports first class mail, so I
guess I'm doing my bit for the good of society. I open the one that I
know contains a stamped envelope and toss the rest into the recycle bin.
You're right, it's easier to criticize than actually fix the problem.
BUT you forget that it's THEIR problem, not mine.
--
Cheers, Bev
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"The fact that windows is one of the most popular ways to
operate a computer means that evolution has made a general
fuckup and our race is doomed." -- Anon.
Posted by Rick V on December 22, 2008, 12:27 pm
The Real Bev wrote
>You misunderstand.
No, I understood exactly what you wrote and implied.
>Forwarded was fine. Letters were sent to her
> at her address and the post office applied
> 'forward to' yellow stickers with MY address.
Which is what you authorized them to do.
>But after the forwarding expired the letters
> started coming directly to her name at my
> address.
The charities, along with all other senders received the new addrees
when you submitted the change of address. The post office did not
forward the mail on their own. You instructed them to do that.
>Neither of us ever gave anybody that
> combination, so it must have been the post
> office.
Yes, you did.
When you submitted the forwarding change of address, you authorized all
mai from the previous address to be sent to your house.
Be it forwarded from the previous address or addressed directly to the
new address. The senders received the forwarding address after 12 months
or if they requested (same as you did when submitting the change of
address form) the mail be returned to them if undeliverable at the
previous address.
>Makes sense that they'd do it -- it keeps the
> postage flowing.
Yes, it is a business but they did not give your address out. You
authorized that.
>I wrote DECEASED on the ones that
> appeared to be first class so that they would
> be returned to the sender who ought to take
> the next step.
One action that you could have taken.
Obviously, the senders ignored your request unlike the post office which
followed your request.
>Apparently it's cheaper to just keep sending
> the letters than fix the mailing list, although
> they had to make some changes when the
> post office gave (or sold) them the new
> address.
Again, you keep blaming the post office for your instructions telling
them to do exactly what they did and for free.
You write that the post office sold the new address which is wrong but
the mail that was sent to your mom's address with postage on it was then
handled and forwarded to your address, per your request, with no
additional postage paid by either the sender or you who
requested the mail be delivered to your address.
>That's as much trouble as I'm willing to go to.
Obviously.
> If they want to spend other people's money
> sending me crap, that's their problem.
The senders "wasting" donated money on more mailings is more than their
problem.
>Theory has it that bulk mail is GOOD because
> it supports first class mail, so I guess I'm
> doing my bit for the good of society.
(pat on the back and applause)
>I open the one that I know contains a stamped
> envelope and toss the rest into the recycle
> bin.
So you are benefitting by getting free stamps and still complaining.
>You're right, it's easier to criticize than actually
> fix the problem. BUT you forget that it's
> THEIR problem, not mine.
See above sentence.
Posted by lenona321 on January 26, 2009, 1:24 pm
On Dec 12 2008, 4:44 pm, lenona...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Or to keep it really simple, check only what day March 1st is. Then on
> leap years, use two calendars- one for Jan-Feb and one for March-Dec.
> I keep a list of which years are identical in that respect so I
> can pick out the right calendar faster from my collection. In theory,
> one only needs 14 calendars so as to cover all possible combinations.
> But since I want to hang more than one calendar in the house, I'd just
> as soon do it differently. Besides, the earliest you're going to see
> the same March pattern repeated is five years, anyway - and usually,
> it's longer.
> And, of course, don't use the more attractivecalendarsfor scribbling
> appointments on! (I use scrap-papercalendarsfor that - and reuse the
> nicer ones.)
I wanted to add that one very good reason not to collect leap-year
calendars - unless they're free AND designed to your liking, whether
with exotic flowers or motorcycles - is that, when you do the math,
you'll find that you only get to reuse a leap-year calendar in its
entirety once every 28 years!
Right now I have only one calendar hung in the house - from 1987. I
like to have two decorative calendars hanging, but the only other one
I have that "works" is my Gustav Klimt 1992 calendar, which I can't
start using until March. So that's annoying.
Lenona.
Posted by Jamie on December 12, 2008, 9:27 pm
Evelyn Leeper wrote:
> The year 2009 is a non-leap-year starting on a Thursday. The most
> recent identical year was 1998 if you want to recycle an old calendar.
> If not, you can, as you can any year, use May of the previous year for
> January. Then about mid- to late January you can get a new calendar at
> a half or a quarter of what they cost now.
> (Frankly, we bought quite a few calendars we really like--mathematics,
> movies, etc.--and now re-use them as the appropriate years come up. The
> one problem, for us anyway, is that the Jewish holidays are completely
> wrong on them.)
> --
> Evelyn C. Leeper
> Be braver. You cannot cross a chasm in two small jumps.
Have one from 1987? That year was the same as 2009 and 1998. I wish I
still had that Miss Piggy calendar from 1981. The dates that were also
identical to those of the upcoming year.
Posted by Evelyn Leeper on December 13, 2008, 5:24 pm
Jamie wrote:
>
> Evelyn Leeper wrote:
>> The year 2009 is a non-leap-year starting on a Thursday. The most
>> recent identical year was 1998 if you want to recycle an old calendar.
>> If not, you can, as you can any year, use May of the previous year for
>> January. Then about mid- to late January you can get a new calendar at
>> a half or a quarter of what they cost now.
>>
>> (Frankly, we bought quite a few calendars we really like--mathematics,
>> movies, etc.--and now re-use them as the appropriate years come up. The
>> one problem, for us anyway, is that the Jewish holidays are completely
>> wrong on them.)
>>
>> --
>> Evelyn C. Leeper
>> Be braver. You cannot cross a chasm in two small jumps.
>
> Have one from 1987? That year was the same as 2009 and 1998. I wish I
> still had that Miss Piggy calendar from 1981. The dates that were also
> identical to those of the upcoming year.
We actually have the 1981 Miss Piggy (proof, I suppose, that I save
everything forever :-) ), but we're probably going to go with the 1987
dinosaurs or the 1998 Civil War one.
--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Be braver. You cannot cross a chasm in two small jumps.
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>
>> Along with untold thousands of begging letters
>> from the charities the first one sold your name
>> to. When the "forward" on my mom's mail
>> expired, the post office kindly told all the
>> charities the address to which her mail had
>> been forwarded, so now I receive all the
>> begging letters for her at MY address.
>
> When the forward on ALL your mom's mail expired, your address was
> included on ALL of the return mail and not just the mail from charities.
>
> If you did not want ALL of your mom's mail, you need not submit a change
> of address but you choose to do so.