Posted by Ohioguy on November 19, 2009, 11:48 am
http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20091118/ap_on_hi_te/us_california_tv_energy
California just passed another anti-consumer law. The focus is TV
energy efficiency. Under the new regulations, 75% of new digitial tv's
sold today will NOT meet the energy efficiency requirement for 2013.
This is just another example of CA trying to force their ridiculous
standards on everyone else. Of course, they are hoping that by passing
these restrictions, all TV's sold in the US will have to meet their
requirements, which will add significantly to the cost of each new TV
set sold.
Environmental groups pushed for passage of the regulation, citing
that more and more homes have multiple TV sets, and the sets are turned
on longer and longer, taking more power.
It's a noble thought - and a very misguided one, in this specific
instance. Here are some excerpts from the article:
"The average plasma TV uses more than three times as much energy as an
old cathode-ray tube set. Liquid-crystal display, or LCD, TVs guzzle
less — about 43 percent more energy than tube sets, according to a study
by Pacific Gas & Electric Co., the state's largest utility. LCDs now
account for about 90 percent of the 4 million TVs sold in California
each year."
- so in other words, the market is already switching to LCD's for the
most part, and they save 43% off of the tube TV's most of us were using
just a few years ago. Great! A 43% difference in just a decade is
fantastic, but people making good choices on their own is still not good
enough for some special interests.
"Some manufacturers said implementing a power standard will limit
consumer choice and harm California retailers because consumers could
simply buy TVs out of state or order them online. Industry
representatives also have said the standards would force manufacturers
to make televisions with poorer picture quality and fewer features than
those sold elsewhere in the U.S."
- yes, people will just buy TV's mailorder, if people try to force more
expensive sets on them, especially if they are perceived as poorer
quality sets.
Here's an idea - instead of the government forcing everybody to do
what they want, or what a special interest group wants, how about
letting the consumers decide what to buy? From the looks of things,
that approach is already working, with the shift to LCD sets.
Posted by Cindy Hamilton on November 19, 2009, 12:59 pm
> http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20091118/ap_on_hi_te/us_california_tv_e ...
> California just passed another anti-consumer law. The focus is TV
> energy efficiency. Under the new regulations, 75% of new digitial tv's
> sold today will NOT meet the energy efficiency requirement for 2013.
> This is just another example of CA trying to force their ridiculous
> standards on everyone else. Of course, they are hoping that by passing
> these restrictions, all TV's sold in the US will have to meet their
> requirements, which will add significantly to the cost of each new TV
> set sold.
Who cares? Nobody is compelled to buy a TV of any kind.
Cindy Hamilton
Posted by Rick Merrill on November 19, 2009, 1:08 pm
Ohioguy wrote:
> http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20091118/ap_on_hi_te/us_california_tv_energy
>
> California just passed another anti-consumer law. The focus is TV
> energy efficiency. Under the new regulations, 75% of new digitial tv's
> sold today will NOT meet the energy efficiency requirement for 2013.
>
> This is just another example of CA trying to force their ridiculous
> standards on everyone else. Of course, they are hoping that by passing
> these restrictions, all TV's sold in the US will have to meet their
> requirements, which will add significantly to the cost of each new TV
> set sold.
>
> Environmental groups pushed for passage of the regulation, citing
> that more and more homes have multiple TV sets, and the sets are turned
> on longer and longer, taking more power.
>
> It's a noble thought - and a very misguided one, in this specific
> instance. Here are some excerpts from the article:
>
> "The average plasma TV uses more than three times as much energy as an
> old cathode-ray tube set. Liquid-crystal display, or LCD, TVs guzzle
> less — about 43 percent more energy than tube sets, according to a study
> by Pacific Gas & Electric Co., the state's largest utility. LCDs now
> account for about 90 percent of the 4 million TVs sold in California
> each year."
>
> - so in other words, the market is already switching to LCD's for the
> most part, and they save 43% off of the tube TV's most of us were using
> just a few years ago. Great! A 43% difference in just a decade is
> fantastic, but people making good choices on their own is still not good
> enough for some special interests.
>
>
> "Some manufacturers said implementing a power standard will limit
> consumer choice and harm California retailers because consumers could
> simply buy TVs out of state or order them online. Industry
> representatives also have said the standards would force manufacturers
> to make televisions with poorer picture quality and fewer features than
> those sold elsewhere in the U.S."
>
> - yes, people will just buy TV's mailorder, if people try to force more
> expensive sets on them, especially if they are perceived as poorer
> quality sets.
>
> Here's an idea - instead of the government forcing everybody to do
> what they want, or what a special interest group wants, how about
> letting the consumers decide what to buy? From the looks of things,
> that approach is already working, with the shift to LCD sets.
Apparently the lawmakers were swayed by a statistic that 10% (yes, ten
percent) of home electric use is from televisions! I found that
stretches credulity - what about you?
Posted by Rod Speed on November 19, 2009, 2:45 pm
Rick Merrill wrote:
> Ohioguy wrote:
>> http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20091118/ap_on_hi_te/us_california_tv_energy
>>
>> California just passed another anti-consumer law. The focus is TV
>> energy efficiency. Under the new regulations, 75% of new digitial
>> tv's sold today will NOT meet the energy efficiency requirement for
>> 2013. This is just another example of CA trying to force their ridiculous
>> standards on everyone else. Of course, they are hoping that by
>> passing these restrictions, all TV's sold in the US will have to
>> meet their requirements, which will add significantly to the cost of
>> each new TV set sold.
>>
>> Environmental groups pushed for passage of the regulation, citing
>> that more and more homes have multiple TV sets, and the sets are
>> turned on longer and longer, taking more power.
>>
>> It's a noble thought - and a very misguided one, in this specific
>> instance. Here are some excerpts from the article:
>>
>> "The average plasma TV uses more than three times as much energy as
>> an old cathode-ray tube set. Liquid-crystal display, or LCD, TVs
>> guzzle less — about 43 percent more energy than tube sets, according
>> to a study by Pacific Gas & Electric Co., the state's largest
>> utility. LCDs now account for about 90 percent of the 4 million TVs
>> sold in California each year."
>>
>> - so in other words, the market is already switching to LCD's for
>> the most part, and they save 43% off of the tube TV's most of us
>> were using just a few years ago. Great! A 43% difference in just a
>> decade is fantastic, but people making good choices on their own is
>> still not good enough for some special interests.
>>
>>
>> "Some manufacturers said implementing a power standard will limit
>> consumer choice and harm California retailers because consumers could
>> simply buy TVs out of state or order them online. Industry
>> representatives also have said the standards would force
>> manufacturers to make televisions with poorer picture quality and
>> fewer features than those sold elsewhere in the U.S."
>>
>> - yes, people will just buy TV's mailorder, if people try to force
>> more expensive sets on them, especially if they are perceived as
>> poorer quality sets.
>>
>> Here's an idea - instead of the government forcing everybody to do
>> what they want, or what a special interest group wants, how about
>> letting the consumers decide what to buy? From the looks of things,
>> that approach is already working, with the shift to LCD sets.
> Apparently the lawmakers were swayed by a statistic that 10% (yes,
> ten percent) of home electric use is from televisions! I found that
> stretches credulity - what about you?
Yeah, its a lie.
Posted by Chilly8 on November 19, 2009, 1:42 pm
> http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20091118/ap_on_hi_te/us_california_tv_energy
> "Some manufacturers said implementing a power standard will limit
> consumer choice and harm California retailers because consumers could
> simply buy TVs out of state or order them online. Industry
That is very true. All one would have to do is draw out enough
cash from the bank, then go across the state line and buy one.
By using cash, no credit cards or checks, there is no paper
trail the state could use to find people using such sets, if they
were to go the next step and outlaw posession.
> California just passed another anti-consumer law. The focus is TV
> energy efficiency. Under the new regulations, 75% of new digitial tv's
> sold today will NOT meet the energy efficiency requirement for 2013.
> This is just another example of CA trying to force their ridiculous
> standards on everyone else. Of course, they are hoping that by passing
> these restrictions, all TV's sold in the US will have to meet their
> requirements, which will add significantly to the cost of each new TV
> set sold.