Posted by William Souden on April 27, 2007, 6:34 pm
kgreenoz@gmail.com wrote:
>> Just got my Verizon bill. I've had them for years as my long distance
>> carrier, just to have some carrier assigned. No monthly plan, just a
>> flat per minute charge - if I used it. But since I've had a cell phone I
>> couldn't tell you the last time I used the land line to place a long
>> distance call.
>>
>> In this bill, Verizon is now sticking me with a "Shortfall Charge" of
>> $2.00 per month. Their explanation? "When long distance charges are less
>> than $2.00, the shortfall charge is the difference between those charges
>> and $2.00."
>>
>> Ok, bullsh*t rhetoric aside, why don't they just call it a Minimum
>> Monthly Fee - more what it really is. Ok, I know, "Shortfall Charge" is
>> brought to us by the same folks who thought up the term "Pre Owned
>> Vehicle."
>>
>> Sorry. Venting, venting...
>>
>> Anyway, the questions to the group are:
>>
>> Any long distance carriers left out there that don't charge a monthly
>> fee for the service? Or a "Shortfall Charge" for not using it?
>>
>> Since I have the cell phone with nationwide coverage should I just drop
>> the land line long distance service and just be done with it? I have no
>> intention of dropping the land line altogether - please don't even go
>> there - I have my need for it.
>>
>> Oh, Verizon wants to charge me $5.50 to drop them as the long distance
>> carrier. Do they have a "bend over" department to figure out how to
>> squeeze money out of you, even when you cancel a service? FWIW I'm
>> filing a complaint with the FCC because they provided no advance notice
>> of the change in the fees, and want to charge me for removing the
>> service on top of it to stop the fees.
>>
>> Rick
>
> I've got the same complaint, but I do not even use Verizon long
> distance! I only use them for local calls and I have long distance
> blocked as I use my cell phone for this but I STILL am being charged
> the $2.00 shortfall charge for having no long distance charges!
>
Next time you talk to Verizon get the name of the rep. Tell them the
following:
If it is not taken care of on the next bill you will protest to the
PUC (or appropriate agency in that state).
When Verizon contacts you after the protest you will tell them it was
done because____________could not resolve the issue.
In most states they can not cut off your phone for not paying
non-basic services.
Posted by Rick on April 27, 2007, 9:43 pm
kgreenoz@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Just got my Verizon bill. I've had them for years as my long distance
> > carrier, just to have some carrier assigned. No monthly plan, just a
> > flat per minute charge - if I used it. But since I've had a cell phone I
> > couldn't tell you the last time I used the land line to place a long
> > distance call.
> >
> > In this bill, Verizon is now sticking me with a "Shortfall Charge" of
> > $2.00 per month. Their explanation? "When long distance charges are less
> > than $2.00, the shortfall charge is the difference between those charges
> > and $2.00."
> >
> > Ok, bullsh*t rhetoric aside, why don't they just call it a Minimum
> > Monthly Fee - more what it really is. Ok, I know, "Shortfall Charge" is
> > brought to us by the same folks who thought up the term "Pre Owned
> > Vehicle."
> >
> > Sorry. Venting, venting...
> >
> > Anyway, the questions to the group are:
> >
> > Any long distance carriers left out there that don't charge a monthly
> > fee for the service? Or a "Shortfall Charge" for not using it?
> >
> > Since I have the cell phone with nationwide coverage should I just drop
> > the land line long distance service and just be done with it? I have no
> > intention of dropping the land line altogether - please don't even go
> > there - I have my need for it.
> >
> > Oh, Verizon wants to charge me $5.50 to drop them as the long distance
> > carrier. Do they have a "bend over" department to figure out how to
> > squeeze money out of you, even when you cancel a service? FWIW I'm
> > filing a complaint with the FCC because they provided no advance notice
> > of the change in the fees, and want to charge me for removing the
> > service on top of it to stop the fees.
> >
> > Rick
>
> I've got the same complaint, but I do not even use Verizon long
> distance! I only use them for local calls and I have long distance
> blocked as I use my cell phone for this but I STILL am being charged
> the $2.00 shortfall charge for having no long distance charges!
That's the point of what they now call the "shortfall charge." As long
as they are assigned as your LD carrier, especially if you *don't* use
it, the minimum billing "shortfall charge" for Verizon even being
assigned as the LD carrier is now $2.00 a month. Plus tax.
You have to make sure there is no LD carrier assigned to your phone. It
sounds like Verizon is. What does it say one page one, right there on
"New Charges"? Last month my bill read:
New Charges
Verizon (page 3) $xx.xx
Verizon Long Distance (page 4) $ .00
As of the April bill it now reads:
New Charges
Verizon (page 3) $xx.xx
Verizon Long Distance (page 4) $ 2.19
If your bill says on page one "Verizon Long Distance" then they *are*
assigned as your long distance carrier. Call Verizon to have the LD
service removed. And tell them you will file a complaint with the FCC if
they intend to charge you $5.50 to remove this service because of an
unnanounced increase in rates. And do file a complaint with the FCC if
they give you any crap about it.
Rick
Posted by ikewalden on April 28, 2007, 9:06 am
It appears a litle more complicated than Rick described on the
billing. I dropped Verizon as my LD carriers years ago - cell phones
are far cheaper. If one looks back further to the end of last year,
Veizon Long Distance did not appear on my billing summary at all -
which make sense since I had no business relationship with them. Out
of nowhere, an itemized line for Verizon Long Distance materialized on
my February 2007 billing statement with a $0.00 balance. It was there
again in March 2007 $0.00. Then in April 2007 - $2.23. Talk about
the proverbial camel's nose. While not slamming in the literal use of
the term, this appears awfully close - they were not my carrier and
now they say they are.
Since it is Saturday, there is no one home at the Verizon Long
Distance number (it seems only sales people work on the weekend). We
will chat on Monday. If I have to cancel all of my service and move
from DSL to cable, so be it. The are not getting my money. The FCC
and the state PSC will both be hearing from me. I urge people to do
the same.
> kgree...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Just got my Verizon bill. I've had them for years as my long distance
> > > carrier, just to have some carrier assigned. No monthly plan, just a
> > > flat per minute charge - if I used it. But since I've had a cell phone I
> > > couldn't tell you the last time I used the land line to place a long
> > > distance call.
> > > In this bill, Verizon is now sticking me with a "Shortfall Charge" of
> > > $2.00 per month. Their explanation? "When long distance charges are less
> > > than $2.00, the shortfall charge is the difference between those charges
> > > and $2.00."
> > > Ok, bullsh*t rhetoric aside, why don't they just call it a Minimum
> > > Monthly Fee - more what it really is. Ok, I know, "Shortfall Charge" is
> > > brought to us by the same folks who thought up the term "Pre Owned
> > > Vehicle."
> > > Sorry. Venting, venting...
> > > Anyway, the questions to the group are:
> > > Any long distance carriers left out there that don't charge a monthly
> > > fee for the service? Or a "Shortfall Charge" for not using it?
> > > Since I have the cell phone with nationwide coverage should I just drop
> > > the land line long distance service and just be done with it? I have no
> > > intention of dropping the land line altogether - please don't even go
> > > there - I have my need for it.
> > > Oh, Verizon wants to charge me $5.50 to drop them as the long distance
> > > carrier. Do they have a "bend over" department to figure out how to
> > > squeeze money out of you, even when you cancel a service? FWIW I'm
> > > filing a complaint with the FCC because they provided no advance notice
> > > of the change in the fees, and want to charge me for removing the
> > > service on top of it to stop the fees.
> > > Rick
> > I've got the same complaint, but I do not even use Verizon long
> > distance! I only use them for local calls and I have long distance
> > blocked as I use my cell phone for this but I STILL am being charged
> > the $2.00 shortfall charge for having no long distance charges!
> That's the point of what they now call the "shortfall charge." As long
> as they are assigned as your LD carrier, especially if you *don't* use
> it, the minimum billing "shortfall charge" for Verizon even being
> assigned as the LD carrier is now $2.00 a month. Plus tax.
> You have to make sure there is no LD carrier assigned to your phone. It
> sounds like Verizon is. What does it say one page one, right there on
> "New Charges"? Last month my bill read:
> New Charges
> Verizon (page 3) $xx.xx
> Verizon Long Distance (page 4) $ .00
> As of the April bill it now reads:
> New Charges
> Verizon (page 3) $xx.xx
> Verizon Long Distance (page 4) $ 2.19
> If your bill says on page one "Verizon Long Distance" then they *are*
> assigned as your long distance carrier. Call Verizon to have the LD
> service removed. And tell them you will file a complaint with the FCC if
> they intend to charge you $5.50 to remove this service because of an
> unnanounced increase in rates. And do file a complaint with the FCC if
> they give you any crap about it.
> Rick
Posted by Rick on May 1, 2007, 12:37 am
ikewalden@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> It appears a litle more complicated than Rick described on the
> billing. I dropped Verizon as my LD carriers years ago - cell phones
> are far cheaper. If one looks back further to the end of last year,
> Veizon Long Distance did not appear on my billing summary at all -
> which make sense since I had no business relationship with them. Out
> of nowhere, an itemized line for Verizon Long Distance materialized on
> my February 2007 billing statement with a $0.00 balance. It was there
> again in March 2007 $0.00. Then in April 2007 - $2.23. Talk about
> the proverbial camel's nose. While not slamming in the literal use of
> the term, this appears awfully close - they were not my carrier and
> now they say they are.
>
> Since it is Saturday, there is no one home at the Verizon Long
> Distance number (it seems only sales people work on the weekend). We
> will chat on Monday. If I have to cancel all of my service and move
> from DSL to cable, so be it. The are not getting my money. The FCC
> and the state PSC will both be hearing from me. I urge people to do
> the same.
That really does sound like the FCC description of "slamming." And it
sounds like Verizon did that on purpose to all customers who may not
have had a LD carrier assigned in anticipation of the "bend over"
minimum fee being assessed. Which would be all the more reason for
people under this described scenario to file a complaint with the FCC.
The first time I called Verizon I talked to a real b*tch who said
Verizon was going to charge me $5.50 to remove them as my LD carrier. A
week later and I got someone a lot nicer who removed Verizon as the LD
carrier, reversed the $2.19 "bend over" fee assessed on the April bill,
and assured me that there would be no fee charged for the change in
service.
I bet they got a lot of calls about this fee suddenly showing up on a
lot of bills. Especially if people like you got "mysteriously" assigned
Verizon for long distance when you explicitly had no LD carrier on you
account before this...
Rick
>
> > kgree...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > > Just got my Verizon bill. I've had them for years as my long distance
> > > > carrier, just to have some carrier assigned. No monthly plan, just a
> > > > flat per minute charge - if I used it. But since I've had a cell phone I
> > > > couldn't tell you the last time I used the land line to place a long
> > > > distance call.
> >
> > > > In this bill, Verizon is now sticking me with a "Shortfall Charge" of
> > > > $2.00 per month. Their explanation? "When long distance charges are less
> > > > than $2.00, the shortfall charge is the difference between those charges
> > > > and $2.00."
> >
> > > > Ok, bullsh*t rhetoric aside, why don't they just call it a Minimum
> > > > Monthly Fee - more what it really is. Ok, I know, "Shortfall Charge" is
> > > > brought to us by the same folks who thought up the term "Pre Owned
> > > > Vehicle."
> >
> > > > Sorry. Venting, venting...
> >
> > > > Anyway, the questions to the group are:
> >
> > > > Any long distance carriers left out there that don't charge a monthly
> > > > fee for the service? Or a "Shortfall Charge" for not using it?
> >
> > > > Since I have the cell phone with nationwide coverage should I just drop
> > > > the land line long distance service and just be done with it? I have no
> > > > intention of dropping the land line altogether - please don't even go
> > > > there - I have my need for it.
> >
> > > > Oh, Verizon wants to charge me $5.50 to drop them as the long distance
> > > > carrier. Do they have a "bend over" department to figure out how to
> > > > squeeze money out of you, even when you cancel a service? FWIW I'm
> > > > filing a complaint with the FCC because they provided no advance notice
> > > > of the change in the fees, and want to charge me for removing the
> > > > service on top of it to stop the fees.
> >
> > > > Rick
> >
> > > I've got the same complaint, but I do not even use Verizon long
> > > distance! I only use them for local calls and I have long distance
> > > blocked as I use my cell phone for this but I STILL am being charged
> > > the $2.00 shortfall charge for having no long distance charges!
> >
> > That's the point of what they now call the "shortfall charge." As long
> > as they are assigned as your LD carrier, especially if you *don't* use
> > it, the minimum billing "shortfall charge" for Verizon even being
> > assigned as the LD carrier is now $2.00 a month. Plus tax.
> >
> > You have to make sure there is no LD carrier assigned to your phone. It
> > sounds like Verizon is. What does it say one page one, right there on
> > "New Charges"? Last month my bill read:
> >
> > New Charges
> > Verizon (page 3) $xx.xx
> > Verizon Long Distance (page 4) $ .00
> >
> > As of the April bill it now reads:
> >
> > New Charges
> > Verizon (page 3) $xx.xx
> > Verizon Long Distance (page 4) $ 2.19
> >
> > If your bill says on page one "Verizon Long Distance" then they *are*
> > assigned as your long distance carrier. Call Verizon to have the LD
> > service removed. And tell them you will file a complaint with the FCC if
> > they intend to charge you $5.50 to remove this service because of an
> > unnanounced increase in rates. And do file a complaint with the FCC if
> > they give you any crap about it.
> >
> > Rick
>> carrier, just to have some carrier assigned. No monthly plan, just a
>> flat per minute charge - if I used it. But since I've had a cell phone I
>> couldn't tell you the last time I used the land line to place a long
>> distance call.
>>
>> In this bill, Verizon is now sticking me with a "Shortfall Charge" of
>> $2.00 per month. Their explanation? "When long distance charges are less
>> than $2.00, the shortfall charge is the difference between those charges
>> and $2.00."
>>
>> Ok, bullsh*t rhetoric aside, why don't they just call it a Minimum
>> Monthly Fee - more what it really is. Ok, I know, "Shortfall Charge" is
>> brought to us by the same folks who thought up the term "Pre Owned
>> Vehicle."
>>
>> Sorry. Venting, venting...
>>
>> Anyway, the questions to the group are:
>>
>> Any long distance carriers left out there that don't charge a monthly
>> fee for the service? Or a "Shortfall Charge" for not using it?
>>
>> Since I have the cell phone with nationwide coverage should I just drop
>> the land line long distance service and just be done with it? I have no
>> intention of dropping the land line altogether - please don't even go
>> there - I have my need for it.
>>
>> Oh, Verizon wants to charge me $5.50 to drop them as the long distance
>> carrier. Do they have a "bend over" department to figure out how to
>> squeeze money out of you, even when you cancel a service? FWIW I'm
>> filing a complaint with the FCC because they provided no advance notice
>> of the change in the fees, and want to charge me for removing the
>> service on top of it to stop the fees.
>>
>> Rick
>
> I've got the same complaint, but I do not even use Verizon long
> distance! I only use them for local calls and I have long distance
> blocked as I use my cell phone for this but I STILL am being charged
> the $2.00 shortfall charge for having no long distance charges!
>