Posted by Lance on July 9, 2007, 6:36 pm
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118384822474060134.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
No Charge Is Too Small
By DIANA RANSOM
July 8, 2007
The next time a merchant says you can't use plastic unless you spend more
money, ask to speak to the manager.
Requiring consumers to spend $20, $10 or even $5 before they can use a
credit card is a violation of merchant guidelines from both Visa and
MasterCard. Those companies say store owners who accept their credit and
debit cards are obliged to do so regardless of the size of the purchase.
Justin McHenry of Web site IndexCreditCards.com says some merchants flout
this rule because the transaction fees they pay are a bigger imposition on
smaller purchases.
Clearly, the best way to avoid hassles is to carry enough cash to at least
cover smaller purchases. But Mr. McHenry also recommends reminding a
store's manager of the rules. "That might scare a merchant enough to do the
transaction," he says.
You can also complain. Visa recommends calling 1-800-VISA-911, the number
on the back of your card or the financial institution that issued your
card. Card issuers "have the ability to fill out a complaint on the
cardholder's behalf," says Betty Riess, a spokeswoman for Bank of America.
Once a complaint is lodged, "it's a matter of education and usually that
puts an end to" the practice, says Randa Ghnaim, a Visa spokeswoman. If
violations continue, she says, offending merchants face "possible fines"
and the loss of their ability to accept Visa cards.
To find the complaint form on MasterCard.com, start by clicking on "Contact
Us/FAQs" and then "Merchant Violations." MasterCard spokeswoman Barbara
Coleman also says "consumers can choose to take their business elsewhere."
Write to Diana Ransom at diana.ransom@wsj.com
Posted by Rod Speed on July 9, 2007, 6:48 pm
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118384822474060134.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
> No Charge Is Too Small
> By DIANA RANSOM
> July 8, 2007
> The next time a merchant says you can't use plastic unless
> you spend more money, ask to speak to the manager.
> Requiring consumers to spend $20, $10 or even $5 before they can use a
> credit card is a violation of merchant guidelines from both Visa and
> MasterCard. Those companies say store owners who accept their credit
> and debit cards are obliged to do so regardless of the size of the purchase.
Just because its in the purported mechant agreement doesnt make it legally
binding.
> Justin McHenry of Web site IndexCreditCards.com says
> some merchants flout this rule because the transaction fees
> they pay are a bigger imposition on smaller purchases.
And legally they are welcome to do that.
> Clearly, the best way to avoid hassles is to carry enough cash to at
> least cover smaller purchases. But Mr. McHenry also recommends
> reminding a store's manager of the rules. "That might scare a
> merchant enough to do the transaction," he says.
Not a chance, you wont be the first to have chucked a tantrum about it.
> You can also complain. Visa recommends calling 1-800-VISA-911,
> the number on the back of your card or the financial institution that
> issued your card. Card issuers "have the ability to fill out a
> complaint on the cardholder's behalf," says Betty Riess, a
> spokeswoman for Bank of America.
And the merchant will file that 'complaint' in the round filing cabinet under
their desk where it
belongs.
> Once a complaint is lodged, "it's a matter of education and usually that
> puts an end to" the practice, says Randa Ghnaim, a Visa spokeswoman.
Bare faced lie.
> If violations continue, she says, offending merchants face "possible
> fines" and the loss of their ability to accept Visa cards.
Another bare faced lie.
> To find the complaint form on MasterCard.com, start by
> clicking on "Contact Us/FAQs" and then "Merchant Violations."
> MasterCard spokeswoman Barbara Coleman also says
> "consumers can choose to take their business elsewhere."
Must be one of those rocket scientist bare faced liars.
And any consumer with a clue realises that operations with those limits are
likely to have better prices than the fools who buy the Visa/Mastercard lies.
> Write to Diana Ransom at diana.ransom@wsj.com
Get fucked.
Posted by Kent Wills on July 9, 2007, 7:20 pm
As I understand it, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:48:28 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118384822474060134.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
>> No Charge Is Too Small
>> By DIANA RANSOM
>> July 8, 2007
>> The next time a merchant says you can't use plastic unless
>> you spend more money, ask to speak to the manager.
>> Requiring consumers to spend $20, $10 or even $5 before they can use a
>> credit card is a violation of merchant guidelines from both Visa and
>> MasterCard. Those companies say store owners who accept their credit
>> and debit cards are obliged to do so regardless of the size of the purchase.
>Just because its in the purported mechant agreement doesnt make it legally
binding.
It does in the U.S. Contract law 101.
Both parties agreed to the no limit rule. And there is
nothing illegal about requiring no minimum purchase amount.
>> Justin McHenry of Web site IndexCreditCards.com says
>> some merchants flout this rule because the transaction fees
>> they pay are a bigger imposition on smaller purchases.
>And legally they are welcome to do that.
>> Clearly, the best way to avoid hassles is to carry enough cash to at
>> least cover smaller purchases. But Mr. McHenry also recommends
>> reminding a store's manager of the rules. "That might scare a
>> merchant enough to do the transaction," he says.
>Not a chance, you wont be the first to have chucked a tantrum about it.
Further, there are enough people willing to accept the minimum
purchase that the owner/manager won't care a great deal.
>> You can also complain. Visa recommends calling 1-800-VISA-911,
>> the number on the back of your card or the financial institution that
>> issued your card. Card issuers "have the ability to fill out a
>> complaint on the cardholder's behalf," says Betty Riess, a
>> spokeswoman for Bank of America.
>And the merchant will file that 'complaint' in the round filing cabinet under
their desk where it
>belongs.
If they get enough, they'll take notice. Of course the number
of complaints vs. the number of people who don't care means it will
take a while to reach the magic number.
>> Once a complaint is lodged, "it's a matter of education and usually that
>> puts an end to" the practice, says Randa Ghnaim, a Visa spokeswoman.
>Bare faced lie.
I question the claim, but if you can produce evidence that
it's a lie, please do. I'd like to examine it.
>> If violations continue, she says, offending merchants face "possible
>> fines" and the loss of their ability to accept Visa cards.
>Another bare faced lie.
See above.
>> To find the complaint form on MasterCard.com, start by
>> clicking on "Contact Us/FAQs" and then "Merchant Violations."
>> MasterCard spokeswoman Barbara Coleman also says
>> "consumers can choose to take their business elsewhere."
>Must be one of those rocket scientist bare faced liars.
So customers can't choose to take their business elsewhere?
>And any consumer with a clue realises that operations with those limits are
>likely to have better prices than the fools who buy the Visa/Mastercard lies.
It's possible they do, however, this doesn't excuse the
violation of contract law.
>> Write to Diana Ransom at diana.ransom@wsj.com
>Get fucked.
--
Kent
Vegetarian: Indian word for lousy hunter.
Posted by Rod Speed on July 9, 2007, 7:54 pm
>>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118384822474060134.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
>>> No Charge Is Too Small
>>> By DIANA RANSOM
>>> July 8, 2007
>>> The next time a merchant says you can't use plastic unless
>>> you spend more money, ask to speak to the manager.
>>> Requiring consumers to spend $20, $10 or even $5 before
>>> they can use a credit card is a violation of merchant guidelines
>>> from both Visa and MasterCard. Those companies say store
>>> owners who accept their credit and debit cards are obliged
>>> to do so regardless of the size of the purchase.
>> Just because its in the purported mechant agreement doesnt make it legally
binding.
> It does in the U.S.
Nope.
> Contract law 101.
Thats a kindergarten version of contract law, child.
> Both parties agreed to the no limit rule. And there is nothing
> illegal about requiring no minimum purchase amount.
That aint the only reason that a particular contract condition aint binding,
child.
>>> Justin McHenry of Web site IndexCreditCards.com says
>>> some merchants flout this rule because the transaction fees
>>> they pay are a bigger imposition on smaller purchases.
>> And legally they are welcome to do that.
>>> Clearly, the best way to avoid hassles is to carry enough cash to at
>>> least cover smaller purchases. But Mr. McHenry also recommends
>>> reminding a store's manager of the rules. "That might scare a
>>> merchant enough to do the transaction," he says.
>> Not a chance, you wont be the first to have chucked a tantrum about it.
> Further, there are enough people willing to accept the minimum
> purchase that the owner/manager won't care a great deal.
So the purported contract condition aint actually binding.
>>> You can also complain. Visa recommends calling 1-800-VISA-911,
>>> the number on the back of your card or the financial institution
>>> that issued your card. Card issuers "have the ability to fill out a
>>> complaint on the cardholder's behalf," says Betty Riess, a
>>> spokeswoman for Bank of America.
>> And the merchant will file that 'complaint' in the round
>> filing cabinet under their desk where it belongs.
> If they get enough, they'll take notice.
Nope, they know that some dont like that and do it anyway.
> Of course the number of complaints vs. the number of people who
> don't care means it will take a while to reach the magic number.
There is no magic number.
>>> Once a complaint is lodged, "it's a matter of education and usually that
>>> puts an end to" the practice, says Randa Ghnaim, a Visa spokeswoman.
>> Bare faced lie.
> I question the claim, but if you can produce evidence
> that it's a lie, please do. I'd like to examine it.
The obvious evidence is operations that maintain that particular practice.
>>> If violations continue, she says, offending merchants face "possible
>>> fines" and the loss of their ability to accept Visa cards.
>> Another bare faced lie.
> See above.
See above.
>>> To find the complaint form on MasterCard.com, start by
>>> clicking on "Contact Us/FAQs" and then "Merchant Violations."
>>> MasterCard spokeswoman Barbara Coleman also says
>>> "consumers can choose to take their business elsewhere."
>> Must be one of those rocket scientist bare faced liars.
> So customers can't choose to take their business elsewhere?
Nope, that its always been obvious that they can do that.
>> And any consumer with a clue realises that operations with those limits are
>> likely to have better prices than the fools who buy the Visa/Mastercard lies.
> It's possible they do, however, this doesn't excuse the violation of contract
law.
You aint established that it is a violation of contract law, just claimed that.
>>> Write to Diana Ransom at diana.ransom@wsj.com
>> Get fucked.
Posted by Kent Wills on July 10, 2007, 1:36 am
As I understand it, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:54:26 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118384822474060134.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
>>>> No Charge Is Too Small
>>>> By DIANA RANSOM
>>>> July 8, 2007
>>>> The next time a merchant says you can't use plastic unless
>>>> you spend more money, ask to speak to the manager.
>>>> Requiring consumers to spend $20, $10 or even $5 before
>>>> they can use a credit card is a violation of merchant guidelines
>>>> from both Visa and MasterCard. Those companies say store
>>>> owners who accept their credit and debit cards are obliged
>>>> to do so regardless of the size of the purchase.
>>> Just because its in the purported mechant agreement doesnt make it legally
binding.
>> It does in the U.S.
>Nope.
Yep. That you're too pig ignorant to know this doesn't change
this simple truth.
>> Contract law 101.
>Thats a kindergarten version of contract law, child.
Most introductory courses are called [insert course name] 101.
You should try learning something rather than displaying your
lack of education.
>> Both parties agreed to the no limit rule. And there is nothing
>> illegal about requiring no minimum purchase amount.
>That aint the only reason that a particular contract condition aint binding,
child.
Oh do tell, great and powerful legal expert.
>>>> Justin McHenry of Web site IndexCreditCards.com says
>>>> some merchants flout this rule because the transaction fees
>>>> they pay are a bigger imposition on smaller purchases.
>>> And legally they are welcome to do that.
>>>> Clearly, the best way to avoid hassles is to carry enough cash to at
>>>> least cover smaller purchases. But Mr. McHenry also recommends
>>>> reminding a store's manager of the rules. "That might scare a
>>>> merchant enough to do the transaction," he says.
>>> Not a chance, you wont be the first to have chucked a tantrum about it.
>> Further, there are enough people willing to accept the minimum
>> purchase that the owner/manager won't care a great deal.
>So the purported contract condition aint actually binding.
It is. That there are those who chose not to have it enforced
does not mean it can't be. No amount of your ignorance of this will
change that.
>>>> You can also complain. Visa recommends calling 1-800-VISA-911,
>>>> the number on the back of your card or the financial institution
>>>> that issued your card. Card issuers "have the ability to fill out a
>>>> complaint on the cardholder's behalf," says Betty Riess, a
>>>> spokeswoman for Bank of America.
>>> And the merchant will file that 'complaint' in the round
>>> filing cabinet under their desk where it belongs.
>> If they get enough, they'll take notice.
>Nope, they know that some dont like that and do it anyway.
They can know, but if no one complains it won't matter.
>> Of course the number of complaints vs. the number of people who
>> don't care means it will take a while to reach the magic number.
>There is no magic number.
You really are dumb, huh? And here I thought it was all an
act.
Each business will have the number of complaints they're
willing to tolerate. Once that number is reached, the magic number,
they'll take notice.
>>>> Once a complaint is lodged, "it's a matter of education and usually that
>>>> puts an end to" the practice, says Randa Ghnaim, a Visa spokeswoman.
>>> Bare faced lie.
>> I question the claim, but if you can produce evidence
>> that it's a lie, please do. I'd like to examine it.
>The obvious evidence is operations that maintain that particular practice.
So you have no evidence. Got it.
Another unsupported claim by the fool known as Rod Speed.
>>>> If violations continue, she says, offending merchants face "possible
>>>> fines" and the loss of their ability to accept Visa cards.
>>> Another bare faced lie.
>> See above.
>See above.
So you have no evidence. Got it.
Another unsupported claim by the fool known as Rod Speed.
>>>> To find the complaint form on MasterCard.com, start by
>>>> clicking on "Contact Us/FAQs" and then "Merchant Violations."
>>>> MasterCard spokeswoman Barbara Coleman also says
>>>> "consumers can choose to take their business elsewhere."
>>> Must be one of those rocket scientist bare faced liars.
>> So customers can't choose to take their business elsewhere?
>Nope, that its always been obvious that they can do that.
You claim Barbara is a clad faced liar, then state you agree
with her. Pick a lane, dullard.
>>> And any consumer with a clue realises that operations with those limits are
>>> likely to have better prices than the fools who buy the Visa/Mastercard lies.
>> It's possible they do, however, this doesn't excuse the violation of contract
law.
>You aint established that it is a violation of contract law, just claimed that.
Try educating yourself. Take an introduction to law class.
You'll eliminate some of that massive ignorance you display.
--
Kent
Vegetarian: Indian word for lousy hunter.
> No Charge Is Too Small
> By DIANA RANSOM
> July 8, 2007
> The next time a merchant says you can't use plastic unless
> you spend more money, ask to speak to the manager.
> Requiring consumers to spend $20, $10 or even $5 before they can use a
> credit card is a violation of merchant guidelines from both Visa and
> MasterCard. Those companies say store owners who accept their credit
> and debit cards are obliged to do so regardless of the size of the purchase.